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"He's off in the ether, impervious to the suffering, and hopes and dreams of mankind."

Nah, it's just the opposite. Mankind is off in the ether, impervious to the suffering of Christ for their sake.

See Ezechiel 37 and tell me if it doesn't sound like type for the new Israel, the Catholic Church, at this time, and tell me if it doesn't remind you of the prayer "come Holy Ghost, fill the hearts of thy faithful..."

The Church doesn't want to die with Christ and live for the sake of the next life, sink.

If Gruner had never existed, we'd still have a genuine problem.

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The Church doesn't want to die with Christ and live for the sake of the next life, sink.

I'm trying to get people to live in THIS LIFE and die with Christ in THIS LIFE.

The next life will take care of itself if we live as Christ did IN THIS LIFE.

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If Gruner had never existed, we'd still have a genuine problem.

Indeed. Regardless of one's opinion of Fr. Gruner and his apostolate, the problem is not him. The problem started way before he existed, and runs deep.

The Church doesn't want to die with Christ and live for the sake of the next life

I'm trying to get people to live in THIS LIFE

That is the essense of the problem. More specifly, church men - clerics - do not want to die with Christ.

Indeed - this is what clerics have been doing, incresingly in modern times. When confronted by reality of their sins, how do they respond?

But the church and the world are as they are today, because churchmen did not act properly on the words of Our Lady
Superstitious nonsense. In fact, it is Pharasaical superstitious nonsense.

Here is a perfect display of the problem. Man - any man - all men - churchmen - are prideful. It afflicts us all. We want Easter Sunday, but will not go through Calvary to get there.

Remember, that Peter did not want Our Lord to go to his passion and death, and Christ called him a devil.