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What's Past is Prologue
The Seattle Catholic ^ | August 16, 2004 | Dr. John C. Rao

Posted on 08/16/2004 12:28:39 PM PDT by Convert from ECUSA

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To: ninenot

101 posted on 08/17/2004 8:27:04 PM PDT by TotusTuus
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To: nickcarraway

"If Paul VI had the right to change the Mass, how are any future popes prevented from changing the Mass just as he was?"

Hehehehehe.

If the concern is VALID Sacraments, then the NO will be either straightjacketed or suppressed. If the concern is being more 'inclusive' and less 'offensive' to those who HATE the True Faith, well....


102 posted on 08/17/2004 9:15:17 PM PDT by narses (If you want ON or OFF my Catholic Ping List email me. +)
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To: NYer

Wow! Outstanding.


103 posted on 08/17/2004 9:45:50 PM PDT by Maeve (Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal One, have mercy on us and on the whole world.)
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To: sinkspur; sandyeggo

**can you get the trads to stop posting articles attacking the Novus Ordo and Vatican II?

There's a project you can work on.**

We are so sadly aware.


104 posted on 08/17/2004 11:31:45 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: sinkspur

**The SSPX, interestingly, opposes an apostolic administration, since it wants to suppress the Novus Ordo with the Tridentine Rite.**

I've always surmised they would be/are in favor of the Tridentine.


105 posted on 08/17/2004 11:36:37 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: saradippity

Ignatius Press already has a very good board game based on the Catechism of the Catholic Church. 3 levels of play.

My kids loved it.


106 posted on 08/18/2004 5:37:36 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: TotusTuus
Anyway, the article is wrong. All problems in the Church today are Bush's fault

CHENEY. It's CHENEY.

107 posted on 08/18/2004 5:44:31 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Maeve; NYer; sandyeggo
The pope is the pope and is, by definition, in charge of all of Catholicism, including the Eastern rites. Allegations of forced Latinization at the time of Trent are a bit seasoned. Even Quo Primum made provision for some ancient liturgies other than the Tridentine. For example, the Dominicans were allowed to retain the Ambrosian Rite.

I have no idea whether Maronite Catholics were then allowed to retain Syrian or Aramaic. I certainly would not object and I think that it is a good thing to have Mass said in the Aramaic language used by Jesus Christ on Earth.

108 posted on 08/18/2004 11:11:26 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk; Maeve; Siobhan; sandyeggo; Cronos
The pope is the pope and is, by definition, in charge of all of Catholicism, including the Eastern rites. Allegations of forced Latinization at the time of Trent are a bit seasoned.

Two thousand years of history are a deterrant to posting the entire legacy. So, I'll begin with the 16th century and provide you with a link to the previous 1400 years ;-D

The Pontifical Mission of 1578

In the 15th and 16th centuries contacts between the Holy See and the Maronite patriarchs continued. Missionaries and papal legates continued to be sent to Lebanon. Often, they brought with them gifts of Roman altar vestments and furnishings. In the pontifical letters that were sent one can determine time and again the particular importance that the Popes attached to the adoption of certain rites and usages of the Latin Church, especially in the administration of the sacraments. And so the way was prepared for a systematic Latinizaton that would be accomplished in the succeeding centuries.

In 1578 Papal legates John Baptist Eliano, S.J. and Thomas Raggio, S.J. were sent to the Maronites. They brought with them a Papal Bull addressed to the Maronite Patriarch. After acknowledging the faith of the Maronites, Pope Gregory XIII requests that the Maronites should follow the Roman tradition in not adding references to Christ in the Trisagion, in having only Bishops administer the sacrament of Confirmation, and in not giving the Eucharist to children under the age of reason. The Holy Father closes by saying that he is going to send Arabic translations of the decrees and canons of the Council of Trent, and a catechism for use of pastors. We might note that the changes advocated by the Holy Father were of long standing liturgical practice in the Maronite tradition.

After meeting with the Maronite Patriarch, the Papal legates sought to examine the liturgical, canonical and theological books used by the Maronites. Father Eliano proceeded to censor and burn the books he considered contained errors. He has been accused by the Maronites of destroying many precious manuscripts important for the history of the nation. In fact, Patriarch Stephen Douaihi, noting that Arabic words often have many meanings difficult to understand, claims that Eliano was not a scholar in Arabic. Douaihi further observes that Eliano did not distinguish books accepted by the Maronites as contrasted to those of the Roman rite. On the other hand, Eliano's behavior is defended by the Jesuit scholar, Louis Cheiko.

Father Eliano had thought of building a seminary in Tripoli, but decided against it because of the persecutions and difficulties the Maronites suffered there. He decided that Rome was the only place. He asked that six students be sent to study in Rome, but only two were sent, Gabriel Adniti from Mount Lebanon, and Gaspar of Cyprus.

On his return to Rome, Father Eliano reported on the condition of the Maronites, praising their tradition and obedience to the Holy See and their joyful acceptance of the faith. Eliano told the Holy Father that, because some heretics were intermingled among the Maronites, some errors had infiltrated among them from foreign books and therefore the Maronites were employing improper customs. The Holy Father was happy with the report and thanked God for keeping the faith among a faraway people who knew neither the language nore the customs of Rome.

It would seem that Eliano reported on other Maronite practices that he considered objectionable and that should be surrendered. He stated that Maronites use both leavened and unleavened bread and add salt, that the deacons receive the Eucharist under both species, that the celebrant gives Communion to people from his own host, that there are no statues in their churches, and that they do not kneel in their churches. (We note that these are traditional practices among the Eastern churches.)

The Maronite position regarding the first visit of Papal legates Eliano and Raggio can be summarized best by citing the letter written by Patriarch Michael Ruzzi to Cardinal Caraffa, the Cardinal-Protector of the Maronites, dated August 25, 1678: "Since, my brother, there may be someone who will write to you that there are some words found in our books opposed to the holy Church, we accept only what the holy Church accepts, and whatever errors are found in some copies would have crept in and been inserted in them from the books of nations which are near us and from a long time ago. My brother, remove all suspicion concerning our rectitude; we were founded from antiquity in the faith of the Holy Apostolic Roman Church which we have always embraced; and we do not speak to you merely with our lips, but with our lips and hearts, may God be our witness."

MARONITE HISTORY

Not related .. but thought you might enjoy this photo of Eastern Rite bishops. It was taken in April of this year, when they attended the Enthronement Ceremony of Bishop Gregory Mansour - St. Maron's Eparchy - Brooklyn NY.


109 posted on 08/18/2004 1:23:22 PM PDT by NYer (When you have done something good, remember the words "without Me you can do nothing." (John 15:5).)
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To: NYer

Cool hats!


110 posted on 08/18/2004 1:45:16 PM PDT by St.Chuck
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To: St.Chuck
Cool hats!

"Crowns", Chuck! lol ... my pastor was trying to figure out how he could get one.

111 posted on 08/18/2004 3:42:09 PM PDT by NYer (When you have done something good, remember the words "without Me you can do nothing." (John 15:5).)
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To: NYer

Crowns! I was hoping you would provide the proper nomenclature. They are really beautiful.


112 posted on 08/18/2004 4:42:26 PM PDT by St.Chuck
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To: St.Chuck
Crowns! I was hoping you would provide the proper nomenclature.

Lol! Seriously, I am indeed indebted to my pastor, Rev. Elie Ghazaan Kairouz, for inviting me to accompany him and the small congregation from our Maronite parish, to this event. It was all still very new to me and the experience defies description.

Here is a picture of the Papal Nuncio with Justin Cardinal Rigali. The Papal Nuncio was present to read the Holy Father's proclamation of Bishop Mansour's appointment; Cardinal Rigali attended as a longtime friend of the new cardinal. Bishop Mansour is one of the first American-born prelates to be appointed as a Maronite bishop. He is only 48 years old. In the photo, Cardinal Rigali is on the left; the Papal Nuncio, on the right.


113 posted on 08/18/2004 5:20:50 PM PDT by NYer (When you have done something good, remember the words "without Me you can do nothing." (John 15:5).)
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To: St.Chuck; Maeve; sandyeggo
Okay ... now that I have posted the other pictures, our pastor, Fr. Kairouz, is the handsome dark-haired priest just to the left of the DHL truck. At the time of Bishop Mansour's 'Enthonement', he had been assigned as 'Administrator' of our parish. As of the Feast of St. Charbel (July 26), the new bishop has appointed him 'Pastor' of the parish. He is an extraordinary individual - speaks 8 languages fluently, has a working knowledge of 3 others, and reads Ancient Greek, Hebrew, Latin and Aramaic. Abouna (that is the term used in the Maronite Rite to refer to the pastor - think "Abba"), was ordained only 3 year ago in Lebanon. He is bi-ritual (Maronite and Latin Rite), serves as chaplain at a local hospital and assists the diocese of Albany by saying mass at their priestless parishes during the week, thereby consecrating a sufficient number of hosts for their weekend services. He is 'self' driven and, in the short time that he has served this small community, done an outstanding job of growing the parish, acquiring a new church (that is 150 years old), and strengthening the existing community through his presence at just about every event hosted by the parish. God bless him!


114 posted on 08/18/2004 5:33:36 PM PDT by NYer (When you have done something good, remember the words "without Me you can do nothing." (John 15:5).)
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To: NYer

Dear NYer,

I always love to read your Maronite Catholic posts. Remember to ping me to this stuff.

Thanks,


sitetest


115 posted on 08/18/2004 5:37:37 PM PDT by sitetest
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To: NYer; St.Chuck

Notice the stoles in the picture NYer posted which are typical of most Eastern Rites I can think of. A slight difference from those used in the Latin Rite.


116 posted on 08/18/2004 9:30:13 PM PDT by TotusTuus
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To: sandyeggo; TotusTuus; sitetest
Also, our Maronite priest out here wears a cloak-style chasuble, which is clasped together with metal clasps.

This is the liturgical vestment worn by all the Maronite clergy. The full vestment is in 6 parts. You can see some of these elements in the following photo.


118 posted on 08/19/2004 8:43:43 AM PDT by NYer (When you have done something good, remember the words "without Me you can do nothing." (John 15:5).)
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To: sandyeggo; NYer
a cloak-style chasuble, which is clasped together with metal clasps.

That is called a cope. Latin Rite priests wear them, too. (for the Asperges before Mass, parts of Benediction, etc.)

119 posted on 08/19/2004 10:37:04 AM PDT by ELS
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To: ELS; sandyeggo; sitetest; TotusTuus; BlackElk
That is called a cope. Latin Rite priests wear them, too.

Good observation ... and here is the historical perspective on "why".


Patriarch Stephane Douaihy
(1630 – 1704)

(note the pallium!)

Stephane Douaihy, one of the greatest of the Maronite Patriarchs, was born in Ehden on August 30, 1630. He was sent to Rome in 1641 by Patriarch George Aamira. Both in Europe and in the Middle East, Douaihy sought out manuscripts and sources that dealt with Maronite history and tradition. Returning to Lebanon in 1655, he was sent as a missionary by the Congregation of the Propagation of the Faith, and went throughout Lebanon teaching the children and preaching. He was sent by Patriarch George Bseb'el to Aleppo where he remained for some time, and it is said, he converted many Melkites, Nestorians, and Jacobites to the Catholic faith. In 1668, he was consecrated Bishop of Cyprus, and he was elected Patriarch on May 20, 1670. As Patriarch he went all over Lebanon investigating and correcting liturgical books, with the desire to return to the ancient customs. During his term as patriarch he suffered many persecutions and had to flee to kesrawan and the Chouf. There are many who report that miracles took place during his life and after his death. Patriarch Douaihy was the first Maronite to attempt a complete history of his people. He published several volumes which earned him the title of "Father of the Maronite history."

We have an eyewitness description of some of the Maronite Liturgical practices during this time. M. De La Croix, secretary to the French ambassador to Constantinople, writing about 1672 states that the Maronites have 60 anaphoras. Their vestments are like those of the Roman church, but they do not follow the Roman rubrics on color.

The observation that the Maronites have 60 anaphoras indicates that despite the Synods of 1596, manuscript missals were still being used. Also surprising was that lay communion under both species seemed still to be in practice, at least in some parts of Lebanon.

Patriarch Douaihy undertook to stabilize the Maronite Liturgy. He sought to publish a definitive ritual. In regard to baptism, his ritual contained the rites of James of Saroug, James of Edessa, and Basil. However Patriarch Doueihi's ritual forbad priests to confer Christmation. Also, it required that children reach the age of reason before receiving communion. Thus, in these practices he confirmed the Latinizations of previous synods. Not found in the ritual of Douaihy are the rite for blessing of ashes, and the rite of the Cross for the Fridays of Lent. Patriarch Douaihy ordered that this ritual be the only accepted one in the Patriarchate. Another significant work was Patriarch Douaihy's definitive commentary on the Maronite Liturgy which bore the name of Lamp of the Sanctuary.

120 posted on 08/19/2004 12:32:47 PM PDT by NYer (When you have done something good, remember the words "without Me you can do nothing." (John 15:5).)
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