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To: r9etb
God doesn't care if the kid's wafer contained wheat or not.

Have you received some revelation from God that the rest us us hasn't? On one hand, you want to bypass the authority of the Church which Christ established, and on the other, you are speaking for the Almighty Himself!

If it is merely a matter of a kid receiving some wafer, you might have a point. But if the issue is about receiving Holy Communion, that's another ball of wax altogether.

Our Lord Himself established the reality of the Eucharist and what it is that constitutes the proper matter and form. He chose wheat bread and wine for the matter. The Church has no choice but to guard, protect, and pass on what He has chosen. The Church has no authority to change it.

In the article you referenced, the kid had other valid options for receiving Holy Communion. Rejection of them on the part of others is not the Church's fault.

Incorrectly following the rubrics of the liturgy generally results in illicit actions. The referenced article deals with an invalid Eucharist, i.e. it really is only bread, not the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Christ.

The Church can't change that fact.

92 posted on 08/16/2004 7:52:51 PM PDT by TotusTuus
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To: TotusTuus
Our Lord Himself established the reality of the Eucharist and what it is that constitutes the proper matter and form. He chose wheat bread and wine for the matter. The Church has no choice but to guard, protect, and pass on what He has chosen. The Church has no authority to change it.

Our Lord did not say (and I do challenge you to prove otherwise) the following:

The Eucharist must be practiced with a thin, tasteless wafer constructed entirely of wheat (neither barley, nor rye, nor spelt will do, and corn is right out), and that thin tasteless wafer must be emblazoned with a cross, and only that will do. Little girls who cannot tolerate wheat are ineligible for Communion.

That, my friend, is not something Jesus would have said. Rather, the insistence on wheat it is simply a position being taken by some, and defended as if it were Holy Writ. But it's not.

What we do know is the following:

On the night he was betrayed he took bread, said the blessing, broke the bread, and gave it to his friends, and said, "Take, eat: This is my Body, which is given for you. Do this for the remembrance of me."

After supper, he took the cup of wine, gave thanks, and said, "Drink this, all of you: This is my Blood of the new Covenant, which is shed for you and for many for the forgiveness of sins. Whenever you drink it, do this for the remembrance of me."

You may recall that He said this: "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27). In the same way, the Eucharist was made for man, not man for the Eucharist. If you're all wound up about some church-standard wafer, then I'd say you're missing the point.

114 posted on 08/17/2004 6:15:22 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: TotusTuus
He chose wheat bread and wine for the matter.

How do you know what kind of grain he used? And if I drink the wrong kind of wine, am I going to hell?

Idolatry comes in many forms. Sounds like you're worshiping bread and wine, and thereby missing the real point.

115 posted on 08/17/2004 6:17:12 AM PDT by r9etb
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