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By the Numbers and by God's Book: Cardinal Ratzinger is Just Dead Wrong
Christ or Chaos ^ | August 11, 2004 | Thomas A. Droleskey

Posted on 08/13/2004 9:39:00 PM PDT by Land of the Irish

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Cardinal Ratzinger, the Prefect of the Congregation for the Clergy, was quoted recently as saying that the “springtime of the Church” is a reality, but that it does not depend upon numbers.
1 posted on 08/13/2004 9:39:00 PM PDT by Land of the Irish
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2 posted on 08/13/2004 9:40:41 PM PDT by Land of the Irish
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To: Land of the Irish

If God wants as many people as possible to be saved, how could numbers *not* matter.


3 posted on 08/13/2004 11:17:41 PM PDT by dsc
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To: Land of the Irish

It did sound rather silly when he said that.


4 posted on 08/13/2004 11:58:08 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Land of the Irish

What kind of weed are they smoking? Maybe it is just prescription medication.
We need to pray for a miracle. The current state of affairs is beyond human solution.


5 posted on 08/14/2004 6:15:37 AM PDT by rogator
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God cares about the large numbers of people, and He also cares deeply about the saving of only one soul.

**change in the manner that Lenin’s minority of followers did in Russia**

This comparison is absurd!


6 posted on 08/14/2004 6:28:22 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Land of the Irish

As usual, you schismatics are attacking the Pope and Cardinal Ratzinger, orthodox leaders of the Church, rather than liberal dissidents within the Church. Once again, you have shown that all you care about is bringing down and destroying the Catholic Church, rather than building it up on the basis of sound doctrine and good order. You are not helping the situation, but merely making it worse, which I guess is your intention anyway.


7 posted on 08/14/2004 10:24:24 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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As usual, you schismatics...

Your beloved CCPA Church is schismatic, for your information.

8 posted on 08/14/2004 10:28:23 AM PDT by Land of the Irish
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To: Land of the Irish

I don't deny it. CCPA, SSPX -- much of a muchness...


9 posted on 08/14/2004 10:30:25 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Unam Sanctam
I don't deny it.

Then why did you assist at their "masses"?

10 posted on 08/14/2004 10:34:28 AM PDT by Land of the Irish
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To: Land of the Irish

If the SSPX liturgy were the only one available of a Sunday I might assist there to, but not take communion, as I would not with the CCPA.


11 posted on 08/14/2004 10:37:37 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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the Pope and Cardinal Ratzinger, orthodox leaders of the Church, rather than liberal dissidents within the Church.

The Pope is not orthodox. Rather, he is liberal and dissents from Cathotlic tradition and Canon law:

"On April 6, 1997, he recited the Credo without the Filioque on the occasion of the 1700th anniversary of the Constantinople I Council and on oecumenical occasions. (Eastern Catholic Life)

"In 1998, he gave communion, at a private Mass in the Vatican, to the late Rev. Sheila Brown, who had only shortly before been ordained an Anglican priestess and who, at that Mass, wore her "Roman" collar.

"In 1999, he gave communion to several Lutheran bishops who were his guests during a mass in the pope's private chapel in the Vatican. (London Tablet)"

12 posted on 08/14/2004 11:16:52 AM PDT by Land of the Irish
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In a welcoming speech, Chirac called the pope "a universal pastor and a man of peace" and said "France and the Holy See are joined in the fight for a world which places Man at the centre of every enterprise."


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13 posted on 08/14/2004 11:21:46 AM PDT by Land of the Irish
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To: Land of the Irish

The Pope is fully orthodox. He has taught no heresy. As for the first, omitting the Filioque is not the same thing as saying that the Filioque is wrong, after all, the original text adopted at Nicaea and Constantinople Councils did not have the Filioque. As for the others, I view them as scurrilous rumors, don't know if true or the full contexst, and even if they were true, errors of judgment or even sins do not justify disobedience to lawful authority in the Church.


14 posted on 08/14/2004 11:22:04 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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He has taught no heresy.

He teaches Catholics and Muslims worship the same "god".

15 posted on 08/14/2004 11:24:50 AM PDT by Land of the Irish
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To: Land of the Irish

Moslems simply misunderstand God's true nature. Scripture teaches that even pagans can have glimpses of the True God. The Pope does not teach heresy.


16 posted on 08/14/2004 11:29:09 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Unam Sanctam
and even if they were true, errors of judgment or even sins do not justify disobedience to lawful authority in the Church.

Neither, do they justify calling him "orthodox".

17 posted on 08/14/2004 11:30:08 AM PDT by Land of the Irish
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To: Land of the Irish

Chirac is not a spokesman of the magisterium. And the Pope has said that humanity cannot be understood apart from Christ and His incarnation as a human. The world is better if the dignity of every human being, including the unborn fetus, is placed at the center of every enterprise.


18 posted on 08/14/2004 11:31:15 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Land of the Irish

Orthodoxy relates to teaching -- actions are not teaching.


19 posted on 08/14/2004 11:32:18 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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Moslems simply misunderstand God's true nature.

Then the Pope, like the Muslims, misunderstands God's true nature.

Ever heard of the First Commandment?

20 posted on 08/14/2004 11:35:18 AM PDT by Land of the Irish
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