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To: nmh
Communion is NOT required to be saved or have a personal relationship with Christ. If you diagree with me, then argue with Christ about why the thief on the cross was saved. Christ could see his heart and told him he would be with Him in paradise. This thief had NO time for rituals yet he was saved. There are other examples in the Bible as well but this is one that is better known.

You're speaking of baptism of desire. However, it is quite apparent that this is an emergency situation. I would consider the digestive disorder situation to be regretful situation, not an emergency situation. Their salvation isn't in jeopardy because of it, as long as they are free of mortal sin. However, normatively speaking, Christ desires that we are baptized in the way He instituted, and that we receive Him in the way He instituted.

Communion is NOT required to be saved or have a personal relationship with Christ.

Then how do you explain Christ's words that I quoted from before?

48 posted on 08/12/2004 11:24:17 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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To: Pyro7480

Maybe I wasn't clear. The thief on the cross was NOT baptized nor did he take communion yet Christ said, you will be with me in paradise. If the words of Christ are not suffient for you, I don't know what to tell you.

Rituals do NOT save anyone. It is you HEART that He evaluates. Rituals are nice but they do NOT save anyone. This thread is an example of a ritual, communion, taken to an extreme and is not the teachings of Christ of the Bible.


56 posted on 08/12/2004 11:30:26 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Pyro7480; sinkspur

Jesus said "today you shall be with ME in Pardise." to the theif on the cross... no wafer, no baptism, no confession... but probably the first person to be converted at the TIME of Christ's sacrificial death.

Poor Jesus... didn't have permission to save this guy from Rome, but did it anyway, no wafers, no grape juice, wine or hocus pocus. Maybe Jesus didn't actually save the poor slob, but was instead deluded? I think not!

The first person some folks around here would want to excommunicate from HIS Church would be Jesus himself, for not doing mass in latin, just like he didn't teach the people in Hebrew (the pure language of the OT Scriptures) but the common everyday aramaic and some greek.

Imagine that. Jesus flunked out of Jesuit University by some twisted "father", who doesn't believe in speaking the linqua franca... of the people he DIED to save.

Somebody pass me the crackers.

that Jesus, always breaking the rules of some religious group's firmly held confession.
then saying FOLLOW ME...

no wonder he drives religious bigots nutso.
especially when HE says, "Other sheep have I but NOT of this fold..." and goes off leaving the presumptious behind.

"But Jesus... YOU got it all wrong... after all WE and WE ALONE are the ONE and ONLY Pillar of TRUTH.. and we say you can't save folks without our brand of crackers...."

stupid, pathetic, and dangerously missing the apparent heart of God almighty. If God cannot save a person without the right brand of crackers, and without checking with a group of old men who have never had sex in their lives, the whole planet is as good as damned. He can, He does and He will continue to do so.

more crackers please.



so please don't strain gnats to the point of swallowing camels, while trying to theologically split hairs over who Jesus can give communion to, using what means. He can give you communion using a pair of tweezers and a pile of rocks if it suits him, and it will be the best, most efficacious communion you ever had because HE DID IT HIMSELF.

Let Rome take up their hair splitting with God, AFTER they get their homosexual pedofile problems sorted out... as well as their treatment of the laity as serfs and underlings, instead of the "priest" class that God intended.

Any Church with a living God can get permission to work out something for this eight year old believer. It's ridiculous!

pass me some latin crackers please.


332 posted on 08/12/2004 6:58:53 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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