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To: AgThorn
Stupid church dogma rules that have nothing to do with our Savior.

Agreed!

Men don't decide if I'm forgiven for my sins or not and Jesus has never absolved me by having me kiss some beads or say some 'hail Marys' either.

Sorry Catholics, my relationship is between me and my Lord, not thru some hiearchy of robed 'holy' men.

16 posted on 08/12/2004 10:57:05 AM PDT by Looking4Truth (NEVER trust Muslims to keep their word.)
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To: Looking4Truth
Men don't decide if I'm forgiven for my sins or not and Jesus has never absolved me by having me kiss some beads or say some 'hail Marys' either.

Sorry Catholics, my relationship is between me and my Lord, not thru some hiearchy of robed 'holy' men


Me neither, no wait, I am Catholic too. Perhaps some research is in order, before you think thats what we do.

I assure you, the smallest particle would satisfy her first Communion.

From the Article:
On May 2, Waldman _ wearing a white communion dress _ made her first Holy Communion in a ceremony at the priest's church. Her mother, who also suffers from celiac and had not received communion since her diagnosis four years ago, also received.

But last month, the diocese told the priest that Waldman's sacrament would not be validated by the church because of the substitute wafer.


Something is rotten here, we get no validation of First Communion from the Diocese. The rules say they could have received by drinking the wine, which contains the same Body and Blood of Christ. Even at that, every single Priest knows this, and a non wheat host could have been dipped in the wine to ensure that it was licit (conformed with Canon Law).

Often cases like these pop up from someone seeking to bash Catholicism. I am not trying to engage you in a discussion of the theology, but, I am trying to point out there are holes that make this out to be a "shaggy dog" story. I looked up John Curran of AP and only found Catholic molestation stories. I don't know if he has an ax to grind.
35 posted on 08/12/2004 11:11:55 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: Looking4Truth
Men don't decide if I'm forgiven for my sins or not..

Ok but how do we interpret "He [Jesus] said therefore to them [the disciples] again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them: and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained."

"and Jesus has never absolved me by having me kiss some beads or say some 'hail Marys' either. "

Catholicism doesn't teach that the priest forgives the sins instead of God. Rather God works through the priest (successor to the Apostles who were the only ones breathed on). Neither do we believe that we should go to confession instead of "praying straight to God," but rather, one should do both, not either/or. At every confession, the penitent must pray an Act of Contrition, which begs God for forgiveness: "O my God, I am heartily sorry for having offended Thee, and I detest all my sins because I dread the loss of Heaven and the pains of hell, but most of all because they offend Thee, O my God, who art all-good and worthy of all my love. I firmly intend, with the help of Thy grace, to confess my sins, to do penance, and to amend my life. Amen."

I dunno where you get the idea that we kiss beads? And the "Hail Mary" is found in the Bible, ya know!

40 posted on 08/12/2004 11:14:18 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: Looking4Truth
Sorry Catholics, my relationship is between me and my Lord, not thru some hiearchy of robed 'holy' men.

That's real nice. Feel free to have your relationship elsewhere.

It's very sad how obsessed you Protestants are with us. For the most part, we couldn't care less what you or your dying sects do.
199 posted on 08/12/2004 2:01:56 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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