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To: broadsword

Me: Rituals do NOT save anyone.

YOu: Then why did Jesus go through the ritual of the last supper?

Then why did Jesus go through the ritual of the crucifixion?

Then why did Jesus go through the ritual of the resurrection?

Then why did Jesus go through the ritual of making the mud paste to put on the blind man's eyes?

Then why did Jesus go through the ritual of the baptism?

Then why did Jesus command us to go through all these rituals and say that we will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven or have life in us if we do not?

He was and is God almighty, and could have just done all these things without rituals, BUT HE DIDN'T.

Then why did Jesus not just do it all YOUR way?

Why? Because He was trying to save us from lazy, wretched, human foolishness, and, in SOME CASES, it worked.

Me: The RITUALS Jesus performed or asked other to carry out do NOT save anyone. Jesus looks at your heart. If you don't know the answers to the questions you posed to me, you seriously need to speak to someone Biblically literate. The answers you seek tell me you really don't understand why Christ did what He did for us on the cross.

Do you think pedophile Priests are "saved" because they partake in Communion and were baptized? If so, then by golly we should all follow these rituals so we can be "saved". Have you read the Bible? Seen the hypocrisy shown through performing rituals where their heart was not in it? It's all over the Bible. Youre best bet is to read the Bible instead of letting others misguide you. I wouldn't trust mere fallible mortals with where I will stand in eternity.

Seriously, one more time RITUALS do NOT save anyone. It is what is in your heart that determines that.


154 posted on 08/12/2004 1:17:03 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh
If you don't know the answers to the questions you posed to me, you seriously need to speak to someone Biblically literate.

"someone Biblically literate", which, obviously, would not be you. Thanks for the clarification.

And I DO know the answers to those questions. And so do you, but you refuse to believe because it would make your self-godhood impossible.

Buhbye.
203 posted on 08/12/2004 2:07:33 PM PDT by broadsword (Liberalism is the societal AIDS virus that thwarts national defense.)
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To: nmh

"I wouldn't trust mere fallible mortals with where I will stand in eternity."

Me neither - which is exactly why Catholics will never accept your fallible and mortal interpretation of God's Holy Word.

"Me: The RITUALS Jesus performed or asked other to carry out do NOT save anyone."

Mark 16,16: "Whoever believes AND IS BAPTISED will be saved; whoever does not believe will be condemned."

John: "If you would love me keep my commandments."

a) Jesus commands the ritual for our salvation.

b) Those who reject it are disobedient to Christ.

c) Those who are unrepentent in their disobedience do not love Christ and will not be saved.

Disobedience is at the heart of man's rebellion against God. Pray for the grace of obedience for yourself and this stroppy mother - if, in fact, she is a real person and not just some figment concocted to fill the gaps in the media's silly season.


217 posted on 08/12/2004 2:25:43 PM PDT by Tantumergo
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To: nmh
It is what is in your heart that determines that.

Where does it say that in the bible?

265 posted on 08/12/2004 3:59:25 PM PDT by american colleen
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