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1 posted on 07/31/2004 3:18:10 PM PDT by Patrick Madrid
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To: Patrick Madrid; NYer; BlackElk; ninenot
Catholic canon lawyer Peter Vere and I have co-authored a new book critiquing the claims and controversies of extreme traditionalism that will come out in September, published by Our Sunday Visitor Publishing.

Excellent.  Pax et bonum!
2 posted on 07/31/2004 3:33:34 PM PDT by GirlShortstop (« O sublime humility! That the Lord... should humble Himself like this... »)
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To: Patrick Madrid; american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; Polycarp IV; narses; ...

A timely work. Does it include a chapter on alternative choices of worship for those frustrated with liturgical abuses in the Novus Ordo liturgy (such as the Indult Tridentine or Eastern Catholic Rites)?

3 posted on 07/31/2004 3:46:39 PM PDT by NYer (When you have done something good, remember the words "without Me you can do nothing." (John 15:5).)
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Why focus on this when there are so many serious problems? At the church in my town they tell people that baptism is not necessary and that they will do it to ``appease the grandparents.''


4 posted on 07/31/2004 3:58:33 PM PDT by nickcarraway (a a)
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Catholic canon lawyer Peter Vere, killer of his first child, while still in his mother's womb, and I have co-authored...

Uhm, no-thanks. I'll pass on your book.

5 posted on 07/31/2004 4:04:18 PM PDT by Land of the Irish
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Nice arrogant strawman Patrick. I guess you haven't gotten the memo that the more you bash us the better we become. You'll get it sooner or later.

I didn't think you were a pot stirrer and would have expected much better from you. Next time you're putting on your phony "nice guy Catholic" routine on that silly EWTN show, remind yourself of this piece of garbage - which is unnecessarily inflammatory and untrue straight from the title.

Go ahead and make oodles of ill-gotten money through slander, I hope you spend it wisely.

6 posted on 07/31/2004 4:05:37 PM PDT by AAABEST (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: Patrick Madrid; Land of the Irish
Catholic canon lawyer Peter Vere, killer of his first child, while still in his mother's womb, and I have co-authored

I didn't even realize that. Nice partner in crime co-author Patrick.

7 posted on 07/31/2004 4:14:31 PM PDT by AAABEST (Lord have mercy on us)
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Your effort seems misguided. Traditionalism is hardly a major problem in the Church today.

In the Diocese of Cleveland, Bishop Pilla has a Rainbow Gay Pride banner on his website and a Seminary Professor is leading the fight for Futurechurch.

I am quite sure your time could have been better spent.


10 posted on 07/31/2004 4:26:52 PM PDT by Diago
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More Catholic Than the Pope

ALMOST ANYONE is more Catholic than the apostate Karol Wojtyla, or his predecessor in apostasy, Montini:


John Paul II giving "communion in the hand".


John Paul II with the Trilateral Commission (Apr. 18, 1983).


John Paul II with the B'nai B'rith (Mar. 22, 1984).


John Paul II at the Roman synagogue, where he "prayed for the Messiah who is yet to come". (Apr. 13, 1986).


John Paul II with heretics, schismatics and pagans at Assisi (Oct. 27, 1986).


Small statue of Buddha on an altar at Assisi.


Zoom-in on tabernacle area of previous photo.


John Paul II being anointed with the pagan "Sign of the Tilak".


John Paul II at "Mass" in Papua, New Guinea (May 8, 1984) where the epistle is read by a bare-breasted woman.


John Paul II Kissing the Koran


Paul VI gives up the papal tiara, the traditional symbol of the three-fold papal authority. None of his successors would consent to accept it.


Paul VI with his grotesque "broken cross" which is an utter insult to Our Lord.


Paul VI wearing the Ephod of Caiphas, showing that he thinks more of Old Testament faith (Judaism) than Catholicism. No pope before him wore such an emblem.


Close-up of the Ephod in the previous photo. It contains 12 stones representative of the 12 tribes of Israel.


Paul VI addresses the United Nations on October 4, 1965, calling it (and not the Catholic religion) the "world's greatest hope".


Paul VI with the Protestants who assisted in the formulation of the Novus Ordo Missae.

11 posted on 07/31/2004 4:41:38 PM PDT by Viva Christo Rey
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Read the responses from the traddies. You're cutting to the quick with your work.

Next, you'll be called a member of the "lavender mafia."

The people who most need to read your work, won't.

16 posted on 07/31/2004 5:41:22 PM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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Not only are you sowing more division between Catholics who are trying to serve the cause of orthodoxy, but your work will risk further alienating those whom the Holy Father desperately desires to see fully regularised within the Church again.

As your work will no doubt help to frustrate the manifest mind and will of the Holy Father, perhaps you should examine your own conscience for the presence of a "schismatic mentality".

Shame on you!


21 posted on 07/31/2004 6:08:41 PM PDT by Tantumergo
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To: Patrick Madrid; nickcarraway; Land of the Irish; Diago; Bellarmine; Mark in the Old South; ...
Take a look at Patrick's posting history. He's posted esactly 10 times since March and nearly every post is devoted to promoting HIMSELF. His blog, His (crummy) show, His trad bashing book, His speaking engagements.

Don't pretend you don't hear us Patrick.

29 posted on 07/31/2004 6:26:23 PM PDT by AAABEST (Lord have mercy on us)
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I went to a SSPX Mass once. It was beautiful yet I felt so lonely there. Right across the street there was an Indult Latin Mass. I wondered how the people at SSPX could stay away from the Mass that was connected with Rome.

I could never leave the Holy See. I would not even go to church at all if I did not have the Pope and the Magisterium to lead and guide me.

Another thing that bothers me is the way the papers like the Remnant are constantly gossiping about the bishops. Isn't gossiping some sort of a sin? The terrible part of gossiping is that the more you read the more you need. It has to keep getting more and more outrageous or the reader is not happy.

39 posted on 07/31/2004 7:00:52 PM PDT by M007
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NO THANKS, Patrick.

Bunch of holier-than-thou dividers of the Mystical Body of Christ...
62 posted on 07/31/2004 7:52:54 PM PDT by pascendi (Quicumque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est, ut teneat catholicam fidem)
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I see you have posted your own article, within a period of two hours, on both the Religion and News forums.

What's the matter, is Envoy losing it's circulation base?

97 posted on 07/31/2004 8:52:18 PM PDT by Land of the Irish
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Thank you Mr Madrid. I will certainly be looking forward to seeing your book. There's a lady in my parish who sells "Truly Roman Catholic Books"(yes,that's really the name of her bookstore)twice a month on Sundays after Mass.I'm sure that she will be selling the book.I hope someday you'll write a book on the E.O.Church.


101 posted on 07/31/2004 9:43:47 PM PDT by Lady In Blue (On Election Day,President Bush: "WIN ONE FOR THE GIPPER!")
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"Our hope is that, by God's grace, the evidence presented in this new 224-page book will inform, encourage, and strengthen Catholics who have been shaken or confused by the misguided arguments raised against the Catholic Church by some extreme traditionalists and, with regard to those who have adopted a schismatic mindset, that this book will help them recognize the errors of extreme traditionalist groups, help them to see why they should abandon those errors, and help them come home to the Catholic Church. make a lot of money, make us more popular, and mask the rotting stench of modernism we're so in denial of, and then go on another cruise."
104 posted on 07/31/2004 9:51:45 PM PDT by pascendi (Quicumque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est, ut teneat catholicam fidem)
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"More Catholic Than the Pope"

Too funny. Don't know anybody like that. Certainly not on FR .... ;-)

Still trying to find some time to watch your show on EWTN. I got cable awhile back. Pay for but never have time to watch it ....

110 posted on 07/31/2004 10:02:28 PM PDT by TotusTuus
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Great!


131 posted on 07/31/2004 10:52:29 PM PDT by tiki
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Thanks for letting us know about your book. Sometimes I wonder how many Catholic Freepers may be authors of books and use pseudonyms,promoting their own books in a more stealthy manner,you know. As you may or may not have noticed we have a lot of material introduced by the far end of one side of the spectrum.

I appreciate the fact that you use your own name and if you say something we disagree with here or in your magazine,we can question you or take you to task for it. I myself would never be so brave. I picked a name that allowed me the latitude to be flippant,amiably eccentric or a bearer of accidental treasures without identifying myself.

Looking forward to your book!!

141 posted on 07/31/2004 11:38:44 PM PDT by saradippity
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"More Catholic Than the Pope" — New Book Responds to Arguments Raised by Extreme Traditionalists

After reading your book title, I didn't bother to read your commentary. I guess I have read more than my share of the same drivel. The title alone is blatant commercialism, designed to appeal to the majority of un-churched Catholics, who wouldn't know a Sacrament from a sacramental.

For instance, what would be the definition of an extreme traditionalist, as opposed to an ordinary traditionalist, and how would one, as compared to the other, stack up with the Catholicity of the Pope?

Would a fair statement be that an extreme traditionalist believes every doctrine and dogma promulgated by the Church prior to 1962 to be sacrosanct, whereas the Pope does not?

Has it ever occured to you, or any of the others throwing rocks, that traditionalists have been given the Grace to do exactly what they are doing, and may be the remnant promised in Scripture?

There is nothing wrong with making a buck, but at the expense of your Church? "What does it profit a man...."

271 posted on 08/01/2004 5:34:51 PM PDT by Arguss (Take the narrow road)
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