Posted on 07/24/2004 10:26:32 AM PDT by CatherineSiena
"Some friend.
I don't believe Guitton, either."
Yep. Everyone that Pope Paul VI hung out with was a liar. And we should all believe everything you say because you accuse people based upon absolutely nothing except for your predetermined opinion and psychological predisposition against any objectively verifiable statement about the New World Order of Mass.
Ridiculous. And you are an ordained minister.
What is this silly "New World Order of the Mass"? I've never heard of it.
Ah yes. The new doctrine on infallibility is that a Pope would never lie, nor sin, but all of his friends and allies would, especially after he dies.
Impeccability, coupled with a lousy choice of friends. They are all liars. Every last one of them.
Novus Ordo=New Order
What Mass is that?
It is quite disquieting to see so-called "friends" of Popes, first of all, recounting deathbed statements, but, even more, that they are likely twisting them to their own ends.
To maintain that Paul VI intended for the Novus Ordo to be Calvinistic is just silly, on its face.
You're probably right. Pope Paul VI hung out with his best friends who were liars.
And Bugnini didn't write a book of memoirs explaining why he wanted to destroy the Old Mass.
And we are actually experiencing "a great renewal" in the wake of that dogmatic, infallible Second Vatican Council...
Regarding "new world order," one of the four "approved" Eucharistic prayers (of the 13 total!!!) from Holland or the Netherlands speaks of pining for a new world order. I'm certain it is completely in line with orthodox Catholic teaching.
What is "the New World Order of the Mass"? You can't seem to answer this.
See No. 26. New World Order "Eucharistic prayer"
You really think that Pope Paul VI was such a lousy judge of personalities that he picked a Cardinal and a philosopher both as good friends who purposefully lied and misrepresented his thoughts after he died?
Are you one of those Bild-a-burgers-rule-the-world conspiracists?
If his friend said he did, I believe he's lying.
If I was or if I wasn't, would the facts of the situation matter to you, or would they have to fit within your own self-formed worldview, which automatically discounts anything that does not fit into your psyche?
Also, would anything having to do with a one world government or new world order have any bearing on the orthodoxy of one's Catholicity?
For instance, there were a string of several encyclicals by Popes (just NOT Paul VI) which warned of the dangers or Freemasonry and Communism, showed the connections and dangers to the Faith, and called them (more than once) organized conspiracies. Would these Popes be on your "wacko" list too?
Too disconcerting for your psyche--I know--it's the baby boomer generation. Funny thing though. My generation and younger bears no resemblance to the BBs, Deo Gratias!
If you were one of these CFR-types, that would definitely color the "facts" you presented.
Since you won't disavow it, I'm going to assume you're a bit of a Birchite, who thinks there might be some hidden hands on the helm, all of which just happen to be Jewish.
Communism was not some kind of hidden conspiracy, and the Masonic movement was much more powerful a hundred years ago than today.
The "New World Order" has, of late, been more associated with Buchananites, who are paranoid about Jewish influence.
"Besides, I discount every single supposed deathbed statement, especially when it involves a Cardinal who opposed Vatican II using that deathbed statement to justify his POV."
Now that is interetesting. This wretched Crdinal who "opposed Vatican II" was chosen by Pope John Paul II to be Prefect of Clegy. What a choice!
Can you substantiate anything you have saud?
I meant "said" not "saud".
Where I come from, making false accusations against against a prince of the Church is called calumny. Your opinion? Not all opinions are should be uttered in the public sphere. I'll not simply "ignore it".
CFR? Birchite? What is a Birchite? Jewish conspiracy? Buchananite?
Man, you must have a lot of psychological baggage. I don't even know what the CFR or Birchites are?
You obfuscate a lot so you can try to label people--especially based on the fact you know nothing about me. Also, since you refuse to answer the questions I pose to you, I refuse to answer yours, as they are really none of your business.
Nice psychological analysis, however, based upon no evidence. I certainly hope and pray you are not in any way connected with screening young men for the sacred priesthood in your parish or diocese. Safer to keep you training the 9-year-old altar girls with pigtails.
I have no baggage, but I'm always suspicious of people who act innocently while spouting the "New World Order" line.
Well, the Pope on several occasions has spoken of the need for a "new world order." I guess the Pope should be viewed with suspicion as well.
Like I said previously, don't let any facts that might impinge upon your pre-established world view dissuade you from it.
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