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To: sinkspur

"Since the Church will not compromise on Vatican II, specifically Religious Liberty and Ecumenism, any chance at reunion is hopeless at this point."

From an otherwise open-minded, liberal, ecumania at all costs with all sorts of animal and thumb worshippers, Protestants who ordain women and are pro-contraceptive and pro-aborts to the Greek Orthodox, whom the vast majority wanted NOTHING to do with the Pope's visit, you WANT to claim that "reunion is hopeless."

Well, sinky, perhaps your intuition on the state of the Church in Rome is clouded by your AmChurch diocesan experience. Back in 1988, Rome offered and Lefebvre initially accepted, an agreement that made them accept Lumen Gentium No. 25, while reserving the right to discuss the other matters of Vatican II and its proper theological application.

Since the real theological work of fitting Vatican II into the patrimony of the Church has not been done yet, I would think this offer would still stand.

I would think that a deacon of the Church who is all for Christian "unity" would be excited and hopeful about the prospect of the largest "reunification" and second concrete example of re-entering the Church in the name of ecumenism, since the Second Vatican Council ended. The first, of course, were the priests of Campos, Brazil.

What could be better than having another 450 priests to adminisiter the sacraments in Amchurch's dying dioceses with no vocations and aging priests? This would actually even give a deacon something to do during Mass in the Classical Roman rite. You would have more "active participation." You should be thrilled.

You are misreading this bad--and I hope not intentionally in order to deceive others. Remember, Hoyos recently said a juridical solution is being discussed and hammered out as we speak.

This thing will happen if all Catholics of good will redouble their prayers and rosary and Mass intentions for the sake of Christian unity--in the true sense of the term.


9 posted on 07/21/2004 8:41:40 AM PDT by Mershon
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To: Mershon
What could be better than having another 450 priests to adminisiter the sacraments in Amchurch's dying dioceses with no vocations and aging priests? This would actually even give a deacon something to do during Mass in the Classical Roman rite. You would have more "active participation." You should be thrilled.

Nope, I'm a Novus Ordo deacon.

But, your post indicates why Rome is so reluctant to give a universal Indult, and why it is reluctant to join up with an organization whose goal, if you read their bishops carefully, and listen to their advocates on Free Republic, is the suppression of the Novus Ordo.

If the SSPX were to follow the FSSP path, there would be no problem. But, as you know, the sect will not do that because it has no interest in cooperating with Novus Ordo bishops or a Novus Ordo Vatican.

That's why the Tridentine Rite solution is, IMO, the only thing that will allow any kind of reunion. As you can see, however, Fellay's not interested in a "reservation."

10 posted on 07/21/2004 8:52:24 AM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: Mershon
Remember, Hoyos recently said a juridical solution is being discussed and hammered out as we speak.

Don't count on anything happening soon here. Hoyos' "juridical guarantee" doesn't exist in any sort of canonical form. To accomplish it, he will need the cooperation of Bishops' Conferences, around the world.

Don't hold your breath.

11 posted on 07/21/2004 8:55:20 AM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: Mershon

Your talk of "re-entering" the Church is misguided. The SSPX is a part of the Church. The excommunications, while legal, are moral nullities and had no true effect. Bishop Fellay understands this, so he is in no hurry. He realizes God is in charge and has been protecting the Society up to now free from corruption--precisely by setting it apart. When the time is ripe the regularization will happen--but it makes no sense as long as Rome has gone off on its own revolutionary tangents.


50 posted on 07/22/2004 10:22:50 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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