Posted on 07/19/2004 8:29:56 PM PDT by Land of the Irish
CARDINAL TAURAN: WARFARE DOES NOT PREVENT REFLECTION
DOHA (QATAR) MAY 27, 2004 (VIS) - Cardinal Jean-Louis Tauran, librarian and archivist of Holy Roman Church and former Secretary for Relations with States, was one of the principal speakers this morning at the first public session of the Qatar Conference on Muslim-Christian Dialogue, being held in the capital of Doha from May 27 to 29. The conference was organized by the Pontifical Commission for Religious Relations with Muslims and the Gulf Studies Center of Qatar University.
Archbishop Michael Fitzgerald, president of the Pontifical Commission, addressed words of welcome to the invited guests. Other speakers this morning included Sheikh Abdullah Bin Khalifa Al-Thani, foreign minister of Qatar, Sheikh Mohammad Sayed Tantawi, Grand Iman of al-Azhar, His Holiness Anba Pope Shenouda III, Youssef Al-Qaradawi of the University of Qatar and Hamid Bin Ahmad Al-Rifaie, president of the International Islamic Forum for Dialogue.
Cardinal Tauran, in his address in English, called the Qatar meeting "an eloquent witness to fraternity. The sound of warfare, which is heard not far from us, will not prevent us from reflecting upon our responsibilities as believers, or from addressing a message of friendship to all those willing to accept it. Our meeting is first of all a meeting of believers. Since we acknowledge that we are children of the same God, we can accept our differences and together devote ourselves to the service of society, with respect for justice, moral values and peace."
He went on to say that the meeting is "also a dialogue between believers belonging to two different religions. In order to avoid any syncretism or caricature of others, it is important that each person remain loyal to his or her own faith." He quoted Pope John Paul II who on numerous occasions has highlighted the many things that Muslims and Christians have in common as "worshippers of God" and "seekers of God" and "believers in the same God. . The Catholic Church regards with respect and recognizes . the richness of your spiritual tradition. We Christians, too, are proud of our religious tradition."
Cardinal Tauran stated that "for this reason, freedom of conscience and of religion is important, even absolutely necessary. . Religious freedom respects at the same time both God and man! It is absolute and reciprocal. It extends beyond the individual to the community; it has both a civil and social dimension.. Religious freedom thus understood and lived out can become a powerful factor for building peace." He said that believers promote justice, human dignity, and peace and solidarity among peoples.
"Political leaders have nothing to fear from true believers," he said. "Authentic believers are also the best antidote to all forms of fanaticism, because they know that preventing their brothers and sisters from practicing their religion, discriminating against a follower of a religion other than one's own, or worse still, killing in the name of religion, are abominations that offend God and which no cause or authority, be it political or religious, can ever justify.
Cardinal Tauran highlighted the need "to initiate a dialogue of trust between civil and religious authorities, so that the rights and the obligations of believers and their communities will be firmly established and guaranteed, with particular respect for the principle of reciprocity. . One cannot claim to obtain one's legitimate rights and freedoms by tramping upon those of others!
"Here in Doha," he concluded, "all of us can, indeed we must, do our part in paving the way of fraternity and peace!"
It took you you 65 pages to "prove" "harmonization" of Dignitatis Humanae with traditional teaching? That's a red flag right there. And you had to rely on Vatican II and post-Vatican II documents? That's like asking the fox who ate the chickens.
By the way, I'm not surprised that Holy Apostles College and Seminary accepted and approved your thesis. Some of their summer courses this year:
STD 703 - Mariology This course will focus on the various dogmas surrounding Mary, including ever virgin, Mother of God, and free from sin. Some time will be given to new proposed dogmas, as well as Christological errors which create confusion regarding Marian dogmas. Apparitions may also be discussed. Fr. Joseph Olczak Tues. & Thurs. 1:30 - 4:15 p.m.
STM 635A - John Paul II's Theology of the Body This course examines John Paul II's Theology of the Body in detail and makes applications of his insights to a variety of contemporary issues including same-sex marriage, traditional marriage, contraception, abortion, and nature of the human being. The text is The Integral Person in a Fractured World by Dr. Donald DeMarco. This course will run for four weeks only. Dr. Donald DeMarco Mon. Wed. Thur. 6:30 - 9:15 p.m.
Mary, Mediatrix of all graces, Co-Redemptrix, and Advocate. Quite simply, a dogmatic definition of this:
Yet, since Mary carries it over all in holiness and union with Jesus Christ, and has been associated by Jesus Christ in the work of redemption, she merits for us de congruo, in the language of theologians, what Jesus Christ merits for us de condigno, and she is the supreme Minister of the distribution of graces. Jesus "sitteth on the right hand of the majesty on high" (Hebrews i. b.). Mary sitteth at the right hand of her Son - a refuge so secure and a help so trusty against all dangers that we have nothing to fear or to despair of under her guidance, her patronage, her protection. (St. Pius X, Ad Diem Illum 14)
same-sex marriage, traditional marriage, contraception, abortion, and nature of the human being
So explaining why contraception is sinful is a bad thing? Those with a Masters' in theology should be ignorant of Catholic teaching on "same-sex marriage, traditional marriage, contraception, [and] abortion"?
against forced conversions, which reaffirms Leo XIII's teaching in Libertas and the continuous ordinary magisterial teaching. Also, it affirms the right of the Catholic Church to promulgate its doctrine in any government, as well as securing the right for individuals NOT to be coerced against their will to accept any religion. There is also a teaching on "civil rights" of religious liberty, but I would not say this is above level 4 teaching at best. It also may be a practical decision based on the "signs of the times" to allow the Catholic Church to teach anywhere and everywhere.
Irishman note:
Ping to GBCDOJ on his post explaining how "subsists" is more narrow and more specific than "is" per Cardinal Ratzinger.
Ping.
It took you you 65 pages to "prove" "harmonization" of Dignitatis Humanae with traditional teaching?
BCM: Since patience is a virtue, I will be patient with, and instruct the ignorant, one of the spiritual works of mercy. Since most thesis are at least 50 pages, this would not be unusual. Why, was your theology master's a lot fewer pages than this? Would this be the mark of a good degree program to allow fewer pages for a thesis or not to have one at all?
That's a red flag right there.
For the uninformed.
And you had to rely on Vatican II and post-Vatican II documents?
Read the entire text again three times. I showed the harmonization between the teachings of Vatican II, esp. LG and DH, with the post-Vatican II interpretations (found in JPII encyclicals, Ratzinger's theological note to politicians, Fr. Brian Harrison, Fr. William Most and the Catechism, which has a lucid explanation and tightens up the misunderstandings nicely. Try reading it.
However, probably 60 percent of the thesis showed exactly what the pre-Vatican II teaching, which DH says it affirms, was. So more than 60 percent of my paper dealt with encyclicals, catechisms and theologically sound writings from the 1800s on. Not that I owe you an explanation, but I am practicing the virtue of patience.
By the way, I'm not surprised that Holy Apostles College and Seminary accepted and approved your thesis. Some of their summer courses this year:
STD 703 - Mariology This course will focus on the various dogmas surrounding Mary, including ever virgin, Mother of God, and free from sin. Some time will be given to new proposed dogmas, as well as Christological errors which create confusion regarding Marian dogmas. Apparitions may also be discussed. Fr. Joseph Olczak Tues. & Thurs. 1:30 - 4:15 p.m.
STM 635A - John Paul II's Theology of the Body This course examines John Paul II's Theology of the Body in detail and makes applications of his insights to a variety of contemporary issues including same-sex marriage, traditional marriage, contraception, abortion, and nature of the human being. The text is The Integral Person in a Fractured World by Dr. Donald DeMarco. This course will run for four weeks only. Dr. Donald DeMarco Mon. Wed. Thur. 6:30 - 9:15 p.m.
Your point here is so obvious that it is lost on me. Is there something obviously or inherently unorthodox here? Once again, trying to be patient, but in case you didn't know, theology is not the same as catechesis. However, I would recommend you read the new Catechism, as well as the Roman Catechism, the Vatican II documents the post-Vatican II encyclicals as well as the pre-Vatican II encyclicals. You just might be surprised that the seeming caricature painted by popular traditionalist media outlets is perhaps giving you a one-sided and distorted picture of what the Pope and the post-Vatican II magisterium truly teaches.
Absolutely pathetic that Novus Ordo catholics are ignorant of "same-sex marriage, traditional marriage, contraception, abortion, and nature of the human being" until they strive for a master's degree in theology.
Who are the evil bishops who are confirming such ignorant people? The same ones dishing out Communion to John Kerry, Gray Davis, Tom Daschle, etc?
Another rotten fruit of VC II.
You have to get a master's in theology to realize same-sex marriages and abortion are mortal sins.
Why are you using two screen names? Do you suffer from multiple personalities? If so, I'm not surprised.
LOTI, you are rising to the heights of absurdity to find things to criticize.
I suppose St. Thomas should never have written in his Summa the article "Does God exist?" - since, after all, Catholics all know that he does.
St. Thomas was proselytizing (now discouraged by Rome), he wasn't passing out master degrees in theology.
Who disputes that forced conversion is against Church doctrine and practice? I wouldn't. But I'm not sure why that approached is used in response to bad ecumenism instead of the more obvious and direct doctrinal approach.
Do you mean the one that was recalled shortly after it was issued?
still getting used to the ping thing; sorry
The Summa Theologiae was for the use of students in theology - perhaps you're thinking of the Summa de veritate catholicae fidei contra gentiles?
The point was that the Cardinal was supporting religious liberty in this conference, but the Church's major document on the subject states: "God Himself has made known to mankind the way in which men are to serve Him, and thus be saved in Christ and come to blessedness ... all men are bound to seek the truth, especially in what concerns God and His Church, and to embrace the truth they come to know". So even according to the declaration on religious liberty the idea that pagans should be "loyal" to their "faith" is incorrect.
That summa was not only for their use, it was for all Catholics. Where does St. Thomas have to instruct either his theological students or the common layman about same-sex marriage?
The "Summa theologica" -- This work immortalized St. Thomas. The author himself modestly considered it simply a manual of Christian doctrine for the use of students. (Catholic Encyclopedia, "St. Thomas Aquinas")
Where does St. Thomas have to instruct either his theological students or the common layman about same-sex marriage?
It wasn't a problem at the time - but he does discuss bigamy, fornication, wife-murder, and divorce.
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