Posted on 07/19/2004 8:29:56 PM PDT by Land of the Irish
It took you you 65 pages to "prove" "harmonization" of Dignitatis Humanae with traditional teaching? That's a red flag right there. And you had to rely on Vatican II and post-Vatican II documents? That's like asking the fox who ate the chickens.
By the way, I'm not surprised that Holy Apostles College and Seminary accepted and approved your thesis. Some of their summer courses this year:
STD 703 - Mariology This course will focus on the various dogmas surrounding Mary, including ever virgin, Mother of God, and free from sin. Some time will be given to new proposed dogmas, as well as Christological errors which create confusion regarding Marian dogmas. Apparitions may also be discussed. Fr. Joseph Olczak Tues. & Thurs. 1:30 - 4:15 p.m.
STM 635A - John Paul II's Theology of the Body This course examines John Paul II's Theology of the Body in detail and makes applications of his insights to a variety of contemporary issues including same-sex marriage, traditional marriage, contraception, abortion, and nature of the human being. The text is The Integral Person in a Fractured World by Dr. Donald DeMarco. This course will run for four weeks only. Dr. Donald DeMarco Mon. Wed. Thur. 6:30 - 9:15 p.m.
Mary, Mediatrix of all graces, Co-Redemptrix, and Advocate. Quite simply, a dogmatic definition of this:
Yet, since Mary carries it over all in holiness and union with Jesus Christ, and has been associated by Jesus Christ in the work of redemption, she merits for us de congruo, in the language of theologians, what Jesus Christ merits for us de condigno, and she is the supreme Minister of the distribution of graces. Jesus "sitteth on the right hand of the majesty on high" (Hebrews i. b.). Mary sitteth at the right hand of her Son - a refuge so secure and a help so trusty against all dangers that we have nothing to fear or to despair of under her guidance, her patronage, her protection. (St. Pius X, Ad Diem Illum 14)
same-sex marriage, traditional marriage, contraception, abortion, and nature of the human being
So explaining why contraception is sinful is a bad thing? Those with a Masters' in theology should be ignorant of Catholic teaching on "same-sex marriage, traditional marriage, contraception, [and] abortion"?
against forced conversions, which reaffirms Leo XIII's teaching in Libertas and the continuous ordinary magisterial teaching. Also, it affirms the right of the Catholic Church to promulgate its doctrine in any government, as well as securing the right for individuals NOT to be coerced against their will to accept any religion. There is also a teaching on "civil rights" of religious liberty, but I would not say this is above level 4 teaching at best. It also may be a practical decision based on the "signs of the times" to allow the Catholic Church to teach anywhere and everywhere.
Irishman note:
Ping to GBCDOJ on his post explaining how "subsists" is more narrow and more specific than "is" per Cardinal Ratzinger.
Ping.
It took you you 65 pages to "prove" "harmonization" of Dignitatis Humanae with traditional teaching?
BCM: Since patience is a virtue, I will be patient with, and instruct the ignorant, one of the spiritual works of mercy. Since most thesis are at least 50 pages, this would not be unusual. Why, was your theology master's a lot fewer pages than this? Would this be the mark of a good degree program to allow fewer pages for a thesis or not to have one at all?
That's a red flag right there.
For the uninformed.
And you had to rely on Vatican II and post-Vatican II documents?
Read the entire text again three times. I showed the harmonization between the teachings of Vatican II, esp. LG and DH, with the post-Vatican II interpretations (found in JPII encyclicals, Ratzinger's theological note to politicians, Fr. Brian Harrison, Fr. William Most and the Catechism, which has a lucid explanation and tightens up the misunderstandings nicely. Try reading it.
However, probably 60 percent of the thesis showed exactly what the pre-Vatican II teaching, which DH says it affirms, was. So more than 60 percent of my paper dealt with encyclicals, catechisms and theologically sound writings from the 1800s on. Not that I owe you an explanation, but I am practicing the virtue of patience.
By the way, I'm not surprised that Holy Apostles College and Seminary accepted and approved your thesis. Some of their summer courses this year:
STD 703 - Mariology This course will focus on the various dogmas surrounding Mary, including ever virgin, Mother of God, and free from sin. Some time will be given to new proposed dogmas, as well as Christological errors which create confusion regarding Marian dogmas. Apparitions may also be discussed. Fr. Joseph Olczak Tues. & Thurs. 1:30 - 4:15 p.m.
STM 635A - John Paul II's Theology of the Body This course examines John Paul II's Theology of the Body in detail and makes applications of his insights to a variety of contemporary issues including same-sex marriage, traditional marriage, contraception, abortion, and nature of the human being. The text is The Integral Person in a Fractured World by Dr. Donald DeMarco. This course will run for four weeks only. Dr. Donald DeMarco Mon. Wed. Thur. 6:30 - 9:15 p.m.
Your point here is so obvious that it is lost on me. Is there something obviously or inherently unorthodox here? Once again, trying to be patient, but in case you didn't know, theology is not the same as catechesis. However, I would recommend you read the new Catechism, as well as the Roman Catechism, the Vatican II documents the post-Vatican II encyclicals as well as the pre-Vatican II encyclicals. You just might be surprised that the seeming caricature painted by popular traditionalist media outlets is perhaps giving you a one-sided and distorted picture of what the Pope and the post-Vatican II magisterium truly teaches.
Absolutely pathetic that Novus Ordo catholics are ignorant of "same-sex marriage, traditional marriage, contraception, abortion, and nature of the human being" until they strive for a master's degree in theology.
Who are the evil bishops who are confirming such ignorant people? The same ones dishing out Communion to John Kerry, Gray Davis, Tom Daschle, etc?
Another rotten fruit of VC II.
You have to get a master's in theology to realize same-sex marriages and abortion are mortal sins.
Why are you using two screen names? Do you suffer from multiple personalities? If so, I'm not surprised.
LOTI, you are rising to the heights of absurdity to find things to criticize.
I suppose St. Thomas should never have written in his Summa the article "Does God exist?" - since, after all, Catholics all know that he does.
St. Thomas was proselytizing (now discouraged by Rome), he wasn't passing out master degrees in theology.
Who disputes that forced conversion is against Church doctrine and practice? I wouldn't. But I'm not sure why that approached is used in response to bad ecumenism instead of the more obvious and direct doctrinal approach.
Do you mean the one that was recalled shortly after it was issued?
still getting used to the ping thing; sorry
The Summa Theologiae was for the use of students in theology - perhaps you're thinking of the Summa de veritate catholicae fidei contra gentiles?
The point was that the Cardinal was supporting religious liberty in this conference, but the Church's major document on the subject states: "God Himself has made known to mankind the way in which men are to serve Him, and thus be saved in Christ and come to blessedness ... all men are bound to seek the truth, especially in what concerns God and His Church, and to embrace the truth they come to know". So even according to the declaration on religious liberty the idea that pagans should be "loyal" to their "faith" is incorrect.
That summa was not only for their use, it was for all Catholics. Where does St. Thomas have to instruct either his theological students or the common layman about same-sex marriage?
The "Summa theologica" -- This work immortalized St. Thomas. The author himself modestly considered it simply a manual of Christian doctrine for the use of students. (Catholic Encyclopedia, "St. Thomas Aquinas")
Where does St. Thomas have to instruct either his theological students or the common layman about same-sex marriage?
It wasn't a problem at the time - but he does discuss bigamy, fornication, wife-murder, and divorce.
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