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To: Romulus

This is a defidi teaching and an infallible statement from Pope Eugene IV,

THE COUNCIL OF FLORENCE (AD 1438-1445)
[From the Bull "Cantate Domino", February 4, 1441 "It firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that none of those outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can become participants in eternal life, but will depart "into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels" [Matt. 25:41], unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those remaining in it are the sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward; and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.

Evangelize for what? This is the Conciliar policy:
Cardinal Ratzinger then sums up Vatican II's new teaching :

"... the recognition of a plurality of Churches within the Church implies two lines of change:
"(a) The Catholic has to recognize that his own Church is not yet prepared to accept the phenomenon of multiplicity in unity; he must orient himself toward this reality. He must also recognize the need for a thorough Catholic renewal (translation: revolution, Ed.), something not to be accomplished in a day. This requires a process of opening up, which takes time. Meantime, the Catholic Church has no right to absorb the other Churches. The Church has not yet prepared for them a place of their own, but this they are legitimately entitled to."

"(b) A basic unity – of churches that remain Churches, yet become one Church – must replace the idea of conversion, even though conversion retains its meaningfulness for those in conscience motivated to seek it." Theological Highlights of Vatican II 1966, p. 73


German newspaper "Frankfurter Allgemeine,early October 2000 " Cardinal Ratzinger explained,
"Vatican II did not use Pius XII’s expression according to which ‘the Roman Catholic Church is the only Church of Christ.’ Instead, it preferred the expression ‘The Church of Christ subsists in the Catholic Church...’ because," he said, "it wished to ‘affirm that the being of the Church as such is a larger identity than the Roman Catholic Church’."


The verbal ambiguity used by Vatican II to advance this false notion of is found in Lumen Gentium 8 wherein it says "The Church of Christ subsists in the Catholic Church" rather than Pope Pius XII’s definition that the Church of Christ IS the Catholic Church [Mystici Corporis, Pope Pius XII]. Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who has always been a progressivist, recently admitted that the word subsists was used at the Council in order to advance the [false] notion that the Church of Christ is actually bigger than the Catholic Church. What happened during the Council was the-then Father Ratzinger, acting upon the advice of the German Protestant, Pastor Schmidt, replaced the word "is" with the word "subsist" and through Cardinal Frings, submitted this new formula to the Council Fathers to vote on. This was part of the scheme by the progressivist theologians and prelates to give the Council document Lumen Gentium an ecumenical dimension and to propound the lie that the Church of Christ is somehow a broader entity than the Catholic Church.

On this point, Ratzinger said recently, "When the Council Fathers replaced the word ‘is’ with the word subsistit, they did so for a very precise reason. The concept expressed by ‘is’ (to be) is far broader than that expressed by ‘to subsist’. ‘To subsist’ is a very precise way of being, that is, to be as a subject, which exists in itself. Thus the Council Fathers meant to say that the being of the Church as such is a broader entity than the Roman Catholic Church, but within the latter it acquires, in an incomparable way, the character of a true and proper subject." Interview in the German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine, Sept. 22, 2000.


25 posted on 07/09/2004 10:39:39 PM PDT by pro Athanasius (Catholicism is not a "politically correct sound bite".)
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To: pro Athanasius

Well if you're going to champion a soteriology that sweeps aside all but members in good standing of the Visible Church -- not to mention the teaching of the Roman Catechism and of Pio Nono -- all I can say is, it puts the patriarchs and prophets in a most awkward position. Not to mention poor St. Joseph, who never could catch a break. I sure hate to think of all these unbaptised non-Catholics in hell. Still, rules are rules, right?


26 posted on 07/10/2004 12:12:44 AM PDT by Romulus ("For the anger of man worketh not the justice of God.")
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