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To: ultima ratio
Nor is it merely a matter of the College of Cardinals' electing somebody as you suggest; it is a question of whether obvious heretical beliefs de-legitimize a real pope and whether JPII fits into this category

Well, thankfully, you are in no position to claim that. Your claim of Heresy is unfounded and is based on nothing but a SSPX pamphlet. This issue of a Pope being removed has come up before in history and has been answered.
45 posted on 07/07/2004 10:30:36 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: Dominick
Your claim of Heresy is unfounded and is based on nothing but a SSPX pamphlet

Please see Catholic Lutheran Joint Declaration Balamand Statement. Enough heresies in just those two documents alone.

52 posted on 07/07/2004 10:44:38 AM PDT by Grey Ghost II
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To: Dominick

"Your claim of Heresy is unfounded and is based on nothing but a SSPX pamphlet."

What pamphlet might that be, pray tell? Was Assisi I and II an example of syncretism or indifferentism? Do I need a pamphlet to tell me what to think about something so obviously unprecedented and scandalous? Should Catholic popes be praying with animists and bragging about it in their diaries? Should a Catholic Pontiff, at a papal audience, be giving Communion to a woman who is a prominent activist for abortion? Or kiss the ring of the Archbishop of Canterbury who lacks any standing as a real cleric? Do I need pamphlets to tell me how to think about these actions? It seems to me if anyone's not doing his own thinking, it's yourself. Look at the photos of Hindu priests using our altars at Fatima to pray to their false gods. Who allows this desecration? Do you need somebody in Rome to tell you this is not as it should be? If so, you've got a long wait coming.


66 posted on 07/07/2004 11:21:01 AM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: Dominick
Your claim of Heresy is unfounded and is based on nothing but a SSPX pamphlet.

You need a scorecard so you can keep all your accusations straight. You may be thinking of the SSPX pamphlet, "Is Sedvacantism Catholic?" or the other one, "Sedevacantism: False Answer to a Real Problem," or maybe it was the SSPX article, "Pope-Sifting: Difficulties with Sedvacantism." The SSPX is officially NOT sedevacantist and in fact back in 1983 they kicked out 9 sedevacantist priests who went on to form the Society of Saint Pius V.

72 posted on 07/07/2004 11:39:14 AM PDT by Maximilian
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