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To: gbcdoj

Here is a more direct response to the issue of whethr the date of August 15 was real--again, in the Archbishop's words:
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This is not possible. All this makes me hesitate. We asked the Cardinal when we would be able to consecrate a bishop. On the 30th of June? He said, "No, this is much too early. It takes time to make a bishop. In Germany it takes nine months to make a bishop." When I told that to Card. Oddi, he said, "That must be a beautiful baby then!" I said, "Well, give us a date. Let's be precise. The 15th of August?" "No, on August 15th there is no one in Rome. It is the holidays from July 15th to September 15th." "What about November 1st?" "I can't tell you." "What about Christmas?" "I don't know."

I said to myself, "Finished."


174 posted on 07/08/2004 9:50:33 AM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio
Here is a more direct response to the issue of whethr the date of August 15 was real--again, in the Archbishop's words:

That's from before Ratzinger offered the Aug. 15th consecration. Look at the date of that Conference - it was less than a week after May 5, whereas the offer came after May 20th, when Ratzinger offered to expedite the consecration.

Of course, having only Msgr. Lefebvre's version may mean that it's distorted as well - he had a poor memory especially as he aged (for instance, his denial that he signed the texts of "Dignitatis Humanae" and "Gaudium et Spes"), and other parts of that same Conference are clearly incorrect in light of the actual documents he refers to (oddly, he gives as quotes what are in fact inaccurate caricatures of the documents):

Indeed, in that letter - I do not have it here - which he brought me from the Holy Father , there is an astonishing sentence. It goes, "It is possible that we consider one day granting you a consecration," as if it was something very vague, a mere possibility, an eventuality. I cannot accept that.

What he refers to is apparently this:

Lastly, I wish to express my gratitude for the intention that you manifested to take into account the particular situation of the Society, proposing to nominate a bishop chosen from its members, and especially in charge of providing for its special needs. Of course, I leave to Your Holiness the decision concerning the person to be chosen and the opportune moment. May I just express the wish that this be in the not too distant future?

204 posted on 07/08/2004 7:56:50 PM PDT by gbcdoj (No one doubts ... that the holy and most blessed Peter ... lives in his successors, and judges.)
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