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The Humanism of John Paul II
Daily Catholic ^ | October 18, 2002 | Mario Derksen

Posted on 07/07/2004 7:16:03 AM PDT by ultima ratio

The Humanism of John Paul II

On January 17, 2001, CNS News reported the following: "Pope John Paul II issues Call for Ecological Conversion . . . The world's people need to undergo an 'ecological conversion' to protect the environment and make the earth a place where all life is valued and can grow in harmony, Pope John Paul II said" http://www.creationethics.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=webpage&page_id=81.

Yes, that's how far we've come. Pope John Paul II, idly standing by as the Church in the USA has been infiltrated by homosexuals and perverts, calls us to convert ecologically. Pardon my human way of speaking here, but what the heck is the Pope doing beating the environmental drums while the Church is going to hell??!! Don't you think that's a bit of "misplaced priorities" here? Did Our Lady of Fatima appear in order to convert people ecologically so that natural disasters would be prevented?? Or did she not rather appear to ask for the conversion of sinners, that we turn from sin, so that God's punishment would not be meted out on the world? Now, Our Lady appeared in 1917 for the first time. May I ask: has the world gotten any better since then in terms of its sinfulness?

A response to that need hardly be given. But the Church, starting from the top on down, has become totally twisted. We have a Supreme Pontiff now who, after all his scandals, sacrileges, blasphemies, and heresies now calls the faithful to ecological conversion. Yes, you got it: we have a "green" Pope! Just when you think you've heard and seen it all from John Paul II, something like this comes along. That's the same Pope who invited a Voodoo witchdoctor to share his thoughts on peace with Catholics. Beautiful. Surely, this must be the "new springtime" we keep hearing about. The Church has so blossomed in this "springtime" that worry about heresy can be replaced by worry about environmental issues. Heck, who cares if people are going to hell because they have followed a false gospel, as long as the trees are green! Of course there is no time to deal with the Novus Ordo bishops covering up for homosexual predator priests, when North Dakota's ladybugs have arthritis!

In Australia, the bishops there have already called for a "green church." Salvation, they say, is not just for mankind, but for all of creation. I'm telling you, if this is not the Great Apostasy, then I sure don't want to be around when it gets here. You can read the story about the Australian green hippies here: http://www.catholicweekly.com.au/02/sep/15/02.html.

Folks, ask yourselves: What's next? An encyclical on animal rights? A motu proprio on the dignity of flowers? An apostolic exhortation on how to avoid emitting carbon-monoxide? Please don't say it can't happen or it would be too ridiculous - since 1958, we've pretty much seen and heard it all. What Pope Pius XII would have insisted could never, ever happen is now considered "conservative." So, please.

Anyway, I needed to give you this shocker because it's just unbelievable what we read about every day, coming from the Vatican, from the bishops, and from the other high offices in the Church. Now, after 14 installments of the humanism of our Pope, you probably wonder by now just what the reason might be for John Paul II's humanistic (and now ecologistic??) teachings. Just why humanism? Why not orthodox Catholicism? Why is John Paul such a humanist?

I suppose only God and perhaps John Paul II can answer this question satisfactorily. However, we can at least make an attempt at understanding the possible motivation that lies behind his strange theology. As always, a messed-up theology originates in messed-up philosophy. When we look at John Paul II's philosophical interests and upbringing, we see that he admired and/or was influenced by Edmund Husserl, Max Scheler, Jacques Maritain, Henri de Lubac, and Pierre Teilhard de Chardin.

Edmund Husserl (1859-1938) was a mathematician and logician who became extremely well-known by inventing a new method of philosophical investigation known as "phenomenology," a method that would focus on--and be restricted to--investigation of what appears to consciousness. His two-volume work Logical Investigations (1900/01) introduced this new method. The way Husserl defined his phenomenology and the way he wanted it to work, it is not acceptable for a Catholic, because, among other things, it sets aside issues of reality and truth and falsehood. However, some people, even Catholics, have attempted to modify Husserl's phenomenology such that it could be used fruitfully in philosophical and theological investigations. Having studied the issue for quite a while, I must say that I find it to be, at best, nothing other than utterly verbose sophistry with little substance. But that would mean it is seriously harmful to a sincere search for the truth because it clouds the intellect and thereby inhibits its pursuit of truth and wisdom. Consider, for example, terms like "penetrating" and "reflecting"--some of the favorite buzzwords in phenomenology--in connection with phenomenological investigation. I'm sorry, but I just don't think there's much meaning behind them. And as a concrete example, I have yet to see a difference--in practice--between reflecting on a subject and reflecting on it specifically phenomenologically.

For his Ph.D. dissertation in philosophy (1953), John Paul II (as Karol Wojtyla) wrote on the ethics of Max Scheler. While critical of Scheler's conclusion, Fr. Wojtyla was intrigued by Scheler's use of the phenomenological method to reflect on and "penetrate" Christian ethics.

Now, John Paul II certainly loved Scheler's phenomenology, and this left a lasting impression on John Paul's thought. But John Paul did not only have a love of phenomenology, but also of anthropology, the study of man. Now, put the two together and you get phenomenological anthropology - and, I think, this is what we've been seeing in the encyclicals and homilies and other writings of this Pope. Fancy words and highly complicated expressions, spanning lots of pages, while saying very little, and constant references and allusions to man. I don't know about you, but that's how I experience John Paul II's writings.

Just in his latest apostolic letter, Rosarium Virginis Mariae, we once again find his incessant and utterly unprecedented identification of Christ with man in general. Thus, for instance, the subtitle that begins paragraph 25 is "Mystery of Christ, mystery of man." He then says that the Rosary has "anthropological significance," and he claims, as he already did at the very beginning of his pontificate in his first encyclical, Redemptor Hominis, that Christ's life reveals "the truth about man." Once again, John Paul's humanism is easily visible. Last time I checked, Christ didn't come to reveal truth about man but only truth about Himself and about God and about salvation. That Christ's teaching has implications for what is true about man, that's no doubt true. But John Paul treats it as though we would somehow have to discover something about man, as if man were the focal point. No pre-Vatican II Pope to my knowledge ever talked about there being some "big truth about man" that Christ came to reveal or that we have to glimpse. This is utterly novel, and wasn't made possible until Vatican II, the council of man!

The Pope admits as much when he says that it was Vatican II that taught that "it is only in the mystery of the Word made flesh that the mystery of man is seen in its true light" (Gaudium Et Spes #22). Isn't that sickening? I mean, what the heck is this talking about! "Mystery of man"? Why is everything after Pius XII, and especially since John Paul II, a "mystery"? It is unbelievable. I think this is the phenomenological spirit that the Pope has picked up, which ends up mystifying everything. In the end, there is no more reality but only "profound mystery" to be "penetrated" and some "richness" in it all that ought to be "reflected on." Hello? Are we on the same planet here?

Don't get me wrong. I don't mean to banalize Sacred Doctrine. St. Thomas Aquinas affirmed that our minds could never even grasp - really grasp - the essence of a fly! However, at the same time, St. Thomas taught clearly, with authority, and with God's and the Church's approval, that we can have real knowledge of real things, not just earthly things but also things in the spiritual and metaphysical realms. While having a healthy respect for man's limited knowledge, St. Thomas nevertheless was an epistemological optimist.

Jacques Maritain (1889-1973) was another enormous influence on the thought of Wojtyla/John Paul II. Maritain taught what he called "integral humanism," as opposed to false or secular humanism. On top of that, he also spread "personalism," the notion that personality and personhood are a key to interpreting reality. In other words: it's all about man.

Now, there's no way I could possibly go into all the different philosophies discussed here, but at least I wish to scratch the surface a bit. Another man I mentioned is Fr. Henri de Lubac, who, I believe, was made a cardinal by John Paul II. De Lubac is the "father of the New Theology" - he was a real liberal and modernist. The Society of St. Pius X has graciously made available online a little compendium about all the main figures of the New Theology, i.e. the New Apostasy, and de Lubac is featured prominently in the series "They Think They've Won!" You can view this here: http://www.sspxasia.com/Documents/SiSiNoNo/1993_December/They_Think_Theyve_Won_PartIII.htm.

The same compendium includes an installment precisely on John Paul II, his novel theology, and his influence by the liberals, including the heretical Fr. Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. View it here: http://www.sspxasia.com/Documents/SiSiNoNo/1994_August/They_Think_Theyve_Won_PartVII.htm.

Basically, since Vatican II, and especially in the writings of John Paul II, instead of a clarification of teaching, we find obfuscation of the old and invention of novelty, together with plenty of convoluted phrases. Interestingly enough, it was Pope St. Pius X who, in his letter "Our Apostolic Mandate," observed that "evil and error are presented in dynamic language which, concealing vague notions and ambiguous expressions with emotional and high-sounding words, is likely to set ablaze the hearts of men in pursuit of ideals which, whilst attractive, are none the less nefarious."

Even before this warning of a very attentive Pope, the First Vatican Council had already made clear that "the doctrine of faith which God revealed has not been handed down as a philosophic invention to the human mind to be perfected" (Denzinger #1800). Yet, in my opinion, the present Pope is drawn to do just that: "develop," reinterpret, improve upon, add on to, and transform our received Faith, especially "in light of the teachings of the Second Vatican Council," as he would say.

It is clear why this wicked revolution in the Church could never have taken place without a council. There would have been no basis for any theologian, prelate, or even the Pope, to base their novelties on.

With Vatican II came the turn from proper Catholic philosophy and theology to humanism under the guise of personalism. Fr. Richard Hogan, in his book ironically called Dissent from the Creed, tries to make us understand the novel thinking of Karol Wojtyla this way: "The future Pope used the truth of our Creation in God's image in a new way. Since we are all created to be like God and since we are all unique in reflections of God, our own experiences, properly understood, reveal something of God. Since we are images of God, our experiences should reveal something about God" (p. 319).

Let me at this point again refer to the New Catechism's paragraph 675, which says that there will be a "supreme religious deception [which] is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh."

Before the Great Deception can fully install man in the place of God, there necessarily has to be a "gradual shift," and I think this is done by the "personalism" and humanism of the New Theology. After all, if the Innovators were immediately putting man in God's place, everyone would notice. So, now they're using complicated-sounding heretical musings that many people will simply think are the conclusions of a "profound philosophical mind, a gifted intellect, a great thinker."

And what are the practical applications and conclusions of this "personalism"? Well, we've seen it all: religious liberty, Assisi, indifferentism, blasphemy. Once we turn to man in order to "see God," the line into idolatry has been crossed. Certainly, we can look at man and praise the Creator who has created such a marvelous being. We can gather by looking at man that God is incredibly intelligent and all-powerful. That's fine. But the New Theologians have totally perverted this and made man a way to God. "Man is the way for the Church," said John Paul II in his 1979 encyclical Redemptor Hominis (#14). He suggests that by God's revelation of Himself in Jesus Christ, He has revealed man to himself; that by showing us who He is, He shows us who we are - what utter nonsense, and utter blasphemy. Here we see a continual identification of man with God. Not fully yet, of course, because there's the always-present "in a sense" and "to an extent" and "if properly understood," but you get the point.

"Man in the full truth of his existence, of his personal being and also of his community and social being - in the sphere of his own family, in the sphere of society and very diverse contexts, in the sphere of his own nation or people (perhaps still only that of his clan or tribe), and in the sphere of the whole of mankind - this man is the primary route that the Church must travel in fulfilling her mission: he is the primary and fundamental way for the Church, the way traced out by Christ himself, the way that leads invariably through the mystery of the Incarnation and the Redemption," the Pope continues further.

"Man the fundamental way of the Church" - folks, this is utterly novel, unprecedented, never heard-of in the Church until Vatican II and especially John Paul II. It is the fruit of phenomenology, personalism, and humanism. I reject it with every fiber of my being.

In his 1987 encyclical Dominum Et Vivificantem, John Paul II wrote: "The 'first-born of all creation,' becoming incarnate in the individual humanity of Christ, unites himself in some way with the entire reality of man, which is also 'flesh'--and in this reality with all 'flesh', with the whole of creation" (#50). This borders on pantheism! Pantheism is the wicked heresy that God and reality are one, that is, that everything, all of creation, is divine. Surely, the defenders of John Paul II would point to the phrase "in some way" as a way out in order not to reach the pantheist conclusion. But folks, what is this? A cat-and-mouse game? Why is the Pope playing hookey-dookey with us?

I'm glad that John Paul II is so hard to understand - this way, many people will not be misled. On the other hand, other innovators can simply introduce more novelties and claim that John Paul II encourages this or calls for this in one of his writings. You know, the typical "that's what the Pope said" excuse. This is what has largely been done with Vatican II (e.g. "Vatican II says….." when many people have no idea what Vatican II actually said), where we can already see this kind of language, the kind that St. Pius X condemned so long ago.

Basically, as I see it, what John Paul II has given us in his encyclicals is phenomenological personalism - his own philosophical musings mixed with some Catholic doctrine and plenty of novelty. But the Supreme Pontificate is no playground, no testing ground for philosophical theories. We don't want to hear the personal philosophy of Karol Wjotyla applied to Catholicism. We want to hear Catholic truth, unmixed with error. And that is our right.

In an article in The Remnant, Dr. Thomas Woods aptly observed: "What the entire dispute ultimately amounts to is the First Vatican Council's description of the Pope: the guardian of the Church's moral tradition, not its author or innovator. He has no right to impose his personal opinions on the universal Church in the face of thousands of years of testimony to the contrary. To be perfectly frank, the present Pontificate appears to have had a mesmerizing effect on otherwise sensible Catholics, who now believe that Church tradition is whatever the Pope says it is" ("Justice Scalia, the Pope, and the Death Penalty" in The Remnant, 2002).

What's left for me to say? Let me give you a good book recommendation. Fr. Johannes Dormann has written a trilogy about John Paul II called "John Paul II's Theological Journey to the Prayer Meeting of Religions in Assisi," first published in 1994. It is available from Angelus Press (1-800-966-7337). See more about it here: http://www.angeluspress.org/sspx_modern_crisis_2.htm#dormann.

You can furthermore find more information on personalism, its philosophical origins, and the whole mess of Vatican II and John Paul II's encyclicals, right here: http://www.traditionalmass.org/Magisterium%20Vat2.htm.

This concludes my series on the humanism of Pope John Paul II. Much evidence has been left untouched, but one can only do so much. You will certainly hear more of John Paul II's horrendous and humanist/personalist statements in future articles on this site.

May God bless you, and may the holy Pius X intercede for our Holy Church.


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To: wideawake

"So this is, in many ways, a matter of taste."

No, it's a matter of the Pope speaking unclearly. We have minds designed to understand things. "Man is the primary way the Church must follow" makes no sense whatsoever. What or who is this abstraction "Man"? How are his multiple relations supposed to show the Church "the way"? And why is this so PRIMARY? I thought it was the other way around--that the Church was supposed to show all men the path to follow!


121 posted on 07/07/2004 5:18:45 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: ultima ratio; sinkspur
The last chapter of John is quite interesting. After Christ tells Peter to feed His lambs and tend and feed His sheep,Christ tells Peter "Follow me>". Peter then turns around,points to John and says "what about him?".Jesus responds,"Don't worry about him,your business is to follow me".

Since He had given the keys to Peter,gave him authority,gave him direction,and promised to send the Paraclete,Comforter,Holy Ghost to remain with the Church,it seems that Pope John Paul is just exhorting man to do what he is doing which is following Christ.

I believe Christ is the Way,the Truth and the Life and necessary for all to get to heaven,I find nothing wrong with what the Pope is saying. Man should follow Peter,who follows Christ.The Church is the vehicle to get us to heaven,the door to the vehicle is Christ,the Pope follows Christ through the door and we should follow the Pope. Some get on and get off,some choose not to even get on board and others get on and try to push everyone else off,others just block the door.

#hen I asked you and Sinkspur for your vision of the Church the other day I really hoped you both would answer,I think the split in the Church is because of differing visions and I think talking about it would be a very good thing. I am quite sure that I would disagree with both of your visions.

122 posted on 07/07/2004 6:07:29 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: Maximilian; Askel5
"Phenomenological performance art"


John Paul II, putting aside his dignity as the Vicar of Christ, welcomes with a theatrical gesture cheering fans at a youth event in Madison Square Garden on October 3, 1979.

123 posted on 07/07/2004 6:32:12 PM PDT by Land of the Irish
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To: Maximilian
Thanks very much for the ping. :o)

I must admit that I don't have the time to hack through the whole article, but I'm confident that I read enough to realize that the article is full of errors and misconceptions.

Mario Dirksen does not believe in the infallibility of Vatican II, or the validity of the Mass of Paul VI. His writing is not thoroughly reasoned, and is very emotional in nature. Particularly dangerous is his use of materials from a schismatic group (Society of St. Pius X), as a source for the development of some of his positions.

By the way, I think the major problem that some people have with the "New Mass," and with Vatican II, is the liberalism that ended up surrounding them. Unfortunately, many things from Vatican II were intentionally taken out of context and misused by libs to further their own agenda. I think it's important to see that neither the Mass, nor Vatican II generally, *gave* us liberalism, but rather, that liberalism hijacked them. We English speaking people were cheated by the ICEL (International Committee for English in the Liturgy - I've been following this fight for years!) translations of the Editio Typica of the Missale Romanum. When I hear the Latin directly translated into English, the current Mass is very beautiful, and the language is sacred. We have the libs amongst the American Bishops to thank for the watered down English version, as well as for innovations such as "Communion in the hand." We've *really* been ripped off!

I support the work of groups such as Adoramus, that have labored for years to obtain an accurate translation of the Mass for liturgical use. I also support Pope John Paul's promulgation of the right of the faithful to attend the Latin Tridentine Mass. I maintain that words such as "venial" and "mortal" lets a person know where they stand, as opposed to "lesser" and "greater." And it's a CHALLICE, not a cup, for heaven's sake!

Don't get me wrong, I'm on the right wing, but it's a right that's rightly balanced.

I also think that, among other things, Mario just doesn't get the truth that everything really *is* a mystery. He also doesn't understand doctrinal development. It's not *new* doctrine, but rather an understanding of a doctrine on a deeper level, or a particular aspect of it.

On a final note, Mario likes St. Thomas Aquinas, but he needs to realize that if there was no such thing as doctrinal development, Aquinas would have been branded as a heretic, rather than proclaimed a Doctor of the Church.

So much to say, and so little time....
124 posted on 07/07/2004 7:04:18 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (Just give the kid a pack of cigarettes - you know he's only gonna go out and smoke anyway!)
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To: Maximilian
Surely, this must be the "new springtime" we keep hearing about. The Church has so blossomed in this "springtime" that worry about heresy can be replaced by worry about environmental issues.

This is plain darn silly. In Genesis, God places Adam as the steward of creation. The Pope is well within the scope of his job description, when he reminds us of the responsibility we have in this regard.

125 posted on 07/07/2004 7:09:30 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (I'm on the right, rightly balanced.)
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To: saradippity

Christ told Peter to follow him, not to go his own way. It is not up to the Pope to invent new doctrines, which this pope is doing. As for your comment about "visions" for the Church, that is NewChurchSpeak. It's not for any Catholic to provide a "vision." It's not even for the pope.


126 posted on 07/07/2004 7:14:36 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: Maximilian
I admit that I should look into her situation more deeply before passing any judgements, but I turned against her after hearing a program on EWTN with Alice von Hildebrand in which she made Stein into the patron saint of feminism.

Alice von Hildebrand is also worth studying. She and her husband, Deitrich, are famous for their insights regarding Catholic theology on marriage.

She is the farthest thing from liberal feminism - as far as the east is from the west.

127 posted on 07/07/2004 7:16:28 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (I'm on the right, rightly balanced.)
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To: Lauren BaRecall

If you think that Vatican II was infallible, you are wrong. If you think the only reason to oppose the Novus Ordo is on the grounds of its invalidity, you are wrong. If you think the SSPX is schismatic, you are also wrong.


128 posted on 07/07/2004 7:29:56 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: Lauren BaRecall

No, what's silly is your comment.


129 posted on 07/07/2004 7:30:54 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: Lauren BaRecall

I concur with your assessment!


130 posted on 07/07/2004 7:37:51 PM PDT by mattcabbott
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To: Aliska
The way things are, it is a fait accompli, making it appear as if it is being done with the blessing of heaven, unlike some other occurrences which the church did put a stop to, or tried to curtail, like Necedah and Bayside.

I've done a fair amount of reading about the Vatican vis a vis apparitions. I was trying to get to the bottom of the Church's position on Medjugorie. I've never had the least hesitancy about believing in Lourdes, Fatima, and even lesser known ones like Knock. I never believed in Medjugore, and its disciples' main argument was that the Vatican had not yet ruled on it.

I searched and searched. Finally, I found out that the local Bishop makes the proclamation. Then, I read through a big fat book about St. Bernadette, and there it was confirmed for me that the Vatican doesn't make the ruling, the local Bishop does. So, that's the rule of thumb - if the local Bishop says no, then it's no. Yes, then it's yes. The Bishop of Medjugorie, a very holy man, said there was nothing happening there, and the whole Bishops Conference of (what country? Croatia?) even joined him, although it wasn't necessary. The Bishop/s thought that to turn away the crowds would be to spur them on, but they tried to minimize the area as much as possible.

By the way, a friend of mine (since deceased) had been an avid charismatic, and Medjugorie believer. I told her that nothing was happening there. She went on pilgrimage with friends, and came back basically knowing that nothing was happening there.

131 posted on 07/07/2004 7:39:31 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (I'm on the right, rightly balanced.)
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To: ultima ratio

Please. I remember when Archbishop Lefebre consecrated those bishops against the order of the Vicar of Christ.

I know I'm correct on all three items you mentioned.


132 posted on 07/07/2004 7:44:54 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (I'm on the right, rightly balanced.)
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To: ultima ratio

Argue with the Book of Genesis.


133 posted on 07/07/2004 7:46:08 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (I'm on the right, rightly balanced.)
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To: Grey Ghost II; sinkspur
Prove that your mother and dad were married.You bastard!   ...couldn't resist   ;-)
134 posted on 07/07/2004 7:56:40 PM PDT by GirlShortstop ( O sublime humility! That the Lord... should humble Himself like this...)
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To: Lauren BaRecall
I've never had the least hesitancy about believing in Lourdes, Fatima,

Well you must be lonely because the Pope and most of the bishops don't believe as evidenced by their refusal to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

135 posted on 07/07/2004 8:10:44 PM PDT by Grey Ghost II
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To: GirlShortstop; Grey Ghost II
You bastard! ...couldn't resist ;-)

I privately told Grey Ghost II, today, that one you modernists would vomit such an accusation. Thanks for proving my point.

136 posted on 07/07/2004 8:15:29 PM PDT by Land of the Irish
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To: Lauren BaRecall
So much to say, and so little time....

Don't be a stranger.  Quasi-lurkers like me appreciate you squeezing in posts like 124.  Pax et bonum!
137 posted on 07/07/2004 8:18:20 PM PDT by GirlShortstop ( O sublime humility! That the Lord... should humble Himself like this...)
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To: Land of the Irish
I privately told Grey Ghost II, today, that one you modernists would vomit such an accusation. Thanks for proving my point.

You're welcome.  You've done a good deed as well by demonstrating [reminding readers] what a joke the humorless are.
138 posted on 07/07/2004 8:22:06 PM PDT by GirlShortstop ( O sublime humility! That the Lord... should humble Himself like this...)
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To: GirlShortstop
You've done a good deed as well by demonstrating [reminding readers] what a joke the humorless you modernists are.
139 posted on 07/07/2004 8:24:57 PM PDT by Land of the Irish
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To: Grey Ghost II

Well, they did, but I take it you take the opposite view.

And the Berlin wall is down.


140 posted on 07/07/2004 8:29:28 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (I'm on the right, rightly balanced.)
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