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To: pro Athanasius

Thanks for the quotes, although Tomas and Juan were different Torquemadas (I think.)

We are working on the cause for beatification of Tomas, which is slightly controversial insofar as he was the Grand Inquisitor, and utilized methodologies which are no longer PC.

Should you happen to have engineering drawings for the Iron Maiden handy, please forward.

Blessings!


29 posted on 06/29/2004 6:32:58 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot

Here are some more politically incorrect quotes for you. Can I put you on my Ping list? Some of these below folks were also made saints so I hope your guy gets in. I think they were related- good family.

Heretics deserve not only to be separated from the Church by excommunication, but also to be severed from the world by death. For it is a much more serious matter to corrupt the faith than to counterfeit that which supports temporal life. Wherefore, if counterfeiters and other evil-doers are immediately condemned to death by secular authorities, there is much more reason for heretics to be put to death. (St. Thomas Aquinas) see Thomas Aquinas: STL II-II, Q.11, art.3

No one is as far from the Pasch of the Lord as heretics. They can have no part with Him who are enemies of this saving Mystery. For they deny the Gospel and contradict the Creed, and they cannot celebrate the Paschal Feast with us. And though they dare to claim the name of "Christian," nevertheless every creature whose Head is Christ scorns them. Pope St. Leo the Great
I pray to God that some of us, as high as we seem to sit, treading heretics under our feet like ants, live not to see the day that we would gladly wish to be at league and composed with them; to let them have their churches quietly to themselves so that they would be content to let us have ours quietly to ourselves. I entirely detest heretics and, as Magistrate, do promise assiduously to perform my duty in investigating them. Heresy is a kind of treason, and if a heretic persisteth in his false belief, he may be handed over to be burned. [This is the essence of Liberalism, a condemned heresy] St. Thomas More.

That it is againsts the will of the Spirit to burn heretics [at the stake] is condemned as false. Pope Leo X "Exsurge Domine; Condemning The Errors Of Martin Luther." (www.ewtn.com)


Even if my own father were a heretic, I would gather the wood to burn him at the stake. Pope Paul IV [ Paul IV: JAMES LAYNEZ, JESUIT, Fr. Joseph Fichter, SJ, St. Louis: B. Herder, 1944, p.179]


The only way to argue with a blasphemer is by running your sword through his bowels, as far as it will go. St. Louis, King of France

Right Reason: No man should be forced to become Catholic, but all men should be forcibly restrained from attacking the Faith in any fashion. Otherwise, it logically follows that either the Faith is not true or that Truth is not worth fighting for. That greatest of prophets of the Old Law, St. Elias, gave us perhaps the greatest object lesson when he did not hesitate to order the killing of 450 ministers of false religions (III Kings 18:40).
"Our Lord Jesus Christ, when in His Gospel He testifies that those who not are with Him are His enemies, does not designate any special form of heresy, but declares that all heretics who are not with Him and do not gather with Him, scatter His flock and are His adversaries: He that is not with Me is against Me, and he that gathereth not with Me scattereth" (S. Cyprianus, Ep. lxix., ad Magnum, n. I).

"I will not pray with you, nor shall you pray with me; neither will I say "Amen" to your prayers, nor shall you to mine. (St. Margaret Clitherow) Margaret: Cf. MARTYRS, Attwater, NY: Sheed & Ward, 1965, p.122; The Marytaithful, Fr. Fred Nelson, Powers Lake, ND: July-August, 1984, p.59, col.1
Predestinate souls, you who are of God, cut yourselves adrift from those who are damning themselves! (St. Louis Marie de Montfort) . Louis Marie: SOR p.99




We have become cowardly, faint-hearted, and, so often, for some reason or another, we keep silence. We let ourselves be overcome by human respect, and cease to show ourselves as true followers of Our Lord. Why? Because we are cowards! Oh, how we need to renew our faith, to rekindle our hearts in the sublime principles of our holy religion! (St. Frances Xavier Cabrini) 23. Frances Xavier Cabrini: SKL p.155



Eugene IV: All outside the Catholic Church cannot be saved.

Innocent III: If anyone patronizes heretics, he is a heretic. (Readings in Church History, Fr. Barry, Westminster, MD, Newman Press, 1965 vol 1:441)



Pius VI: Only Catholics can be Christians (sec.1500 of "Densinger," B. Herder Book Co., Imprimatur, 1955)


30 posted on 06/29/2004 7:52:08 AM PDT by pro Athanasius (Catholicism is not a "politically correct sound bite".)
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