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To: ultima ratio
JPII is pope of both the old and the new religions. One denies Catholicism's basic tenets--of a propitiatory sacrifice, of a Real Presence, of a sacrificial priesthood--and does all it can to destroy these principles...  

You say "siding with Tradition in his official writings, but instituting policies designed to support its destruction.".  Can you not see how that can be construed as calling JPII a liar?  


51 posted on 06/25/2004 10:28:53 PM PDT by GirlShortstop ( O sublime humility! That the Lord... should humble Himself like this...)
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To: GirlShortstop

You may think I am calling the Pope a liar. But I am simply stating the facts. They speak for themselves. He says one thing, then does another. What are we to think? His outdoor papal Masses have caused grave scandal--and have been written about in the secular press. Sacred Hosts are passed around like potato chips, falling into the ground, getting trampled underfoot. Even worse things happen. Yet he lectures the world on liturgical abuses. He writes to the bishops that prohibiting kneeling for Communion would contribute to a diminution of faith in the dogma on the Real Presence--then signs onto it anyway. How does this protect the treasury of faith--which is his primary job, after all.

I just cite the facts--make of them what you will.


53 posted on 06/25/2004 10:38:03 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: GirlShortstop; gbcdoj

By the way, in this matter of justice, it is not just for a pope to let liberal bishops deny the truths of the Gospels, deny the decrees of the Council of Trent, affirm Martin Luther while denying the teachings of preconciliar popes--then turn around and pounce on a single traditional bishop for defending Catholic Tradition. That is injustice of an obvious sort. What is most galling is it is done by deceit. Neither popes nor cardinals will admit the truth--that it is Traditional Catholicism which they oppose.


56 posted on 06/25/2004 10:51:46 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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