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To: ultima ratio
he would not have acted so harshly to punish it a few years ago--on a trifling matter

When and how did the Pope "punish" the indult movement?

As if those traditions were any different from his own

However, it is necessary that all the Pastors and the other faithful have a new awareness, not only of the lawfulness but also of the richness for the Church of a diversity of charisms, traditions of spirituality and apostolate, which also constitutes the beauty of unity in variety ... To all those Catholic faithful who feel attached to some previous liturgical and disciplinary forms of the Latin tradition I wish to manifest my will to facilitate their ecclesial communion by means of the necessary measures to guarantee respect for their rightful aspirations.

When he met with indult priests and seminarians not many years ago, he admonished them rather than praised them for their successes.

Source?

57 posted on 06/19/2004 8:19:10 AM PDT by gbcdoj (For not the hearers of the law are just before God: but the doers of the law shall be justified.)
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To: gbcdoj; ultima ratio

"When and how did the Pope "punish" the indult movement? "



Here's how:

http://www.latinmassmagazine.com/semi-traditionalists.asp


58 posted on 06/19/2004 8:32:16 AM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, Terri Schiavo will live.)
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I'd still lke to know why "The Catholic Herald" in the UK seems to be the only publication in the world to have this insider information.

I even went to their website to read the article first hand, and found nothing but an empty website.


60 posted on 06/19/2004 8:43:26 AM PDT by Arguss
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To: gbcdoj

Every traditionalist knows the event I'm talking about. He met with adoring seminarians from the FSSP--and instead of recognizing their devotion, he found fault. That was the turning-point for me. Up till then I thought, like most others, he must be sympathetic. Then it dawned on me--the problem was not with the middle echelon--it was with him.


64 posted on 06/19/2004 9:51:06 AM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: gbcdoj

The passage you have cited is a gross misrepresentation of the key point I was making. The priests he was addressing had not invented any peculiar spiritual or liturgical practices. They celebrated the ancient Mass which had been handed-down to them from the Church. Everything they do and study was the tradition of the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH until a few years ago. There is nothing that they do or teach or think that is other that what the Church had inspired for two thousand years up until recently when the Apostolic See itself chose to abandon Catholic Tradition. That is what is so alarming. It is the CHURCH'S OWN TRADITION, not a special charism peculiar to these priests, of which the Pope was speaking! The Pope dealt with this, however, as if it were something alien to him--and I can understand why. It would be--to a modernist.

For a long while I imagined it was the modernists who have held the Pontiff back all these years and prevented him from doing what I told myself he surely wanted to do--bring the Church back to Sacred Tradition. But now I see it is the other way around. It is the mass of traditionalists who hold him back--otherwise he would have lurched even more to the left than he has done already. He has already rejected the SSPX--though the Society's bishops made clear they did not challenge his legitimacy and would have obeyed--if it were possible for them, if obeying would not violate their consciences as Catholics and make them complicit in the destruction of Tradition. But he charged them with schism anyway--though no schism existed. It makes perfect sense that he should have done this to no others--but FAVORS the radical prelates instead, elevates them and gives them red hats. All this also explains why he says one thing and does another. He gives the faithful who long for a return to normalcy what it expects in writing, all the while moving the Church leftwards in practice.


67 posted on 06/19/2004 10:19:53 AM PDT by ultima ratio
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