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To: Quix; redeemed_by_His_blood
Quix, I'm wondering what you mean by "bible Codes"? Do you mean that there are hidden messages in the bible that can be uncovered by going deeper into the text and into the symbolism used by the Holy Spirit in communicating to the authors? If so, then there is much truth to the "bible codes".

On the other hand if you are suggesting that there is some secret message system using equidistant letter sequencing to uncover hidden prophecies and other such nonsense, then I dare say that there is no truth to your theory. Most of the people who championed the idea of messages found in equidisant letter sequencing have looked at the research and found that not only does the Bible have these so-called hidden messages, but so do every singe piece of literature over 100 pages long. If you still subscribe to this nonsense, then you have not looked carefully at the research. Those who have almost universally have decided that the ELS method of finding secret messages is nothing more than hokum.

They are not secret messages, they are random and coincidental. God does not work through random or conincidental methods. His messages are not hidden in ways that only a computer can uncover. His messages are only hidden from those who REFUSE to look at them. If they are hidden, they are hidden in plain site.

16 posted on 06/21/2004 11:32:25 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe; All

Evidently your understanding of the Bible Codes is behind the research curve.

The whole thing is in it's infancy. Criteria have racheted up rapidly.

The most recent, best designed study comparing WAR AND PEACE in Hebrew with The Scriptures is very clear.

Any long Hebrew text can produce 'codes' to a certain length. However, the Scriptures have produced Codes double or more the best length from other texts--CONSISTENTLY.

There are other features of things found in the Scriptures which are not found at all in other long Hebrew texts.

The Codes are consistent with Scripture about the basic doctrines--the deity of Christ, His Virgin Birth, His coming in the Flesh, His resurrection etc. The Biblical criteria is that SUCH ASSERTIONS MUST COME VIA HOLY SPIRIT as Christ gave that criteria Himself for discerning spirits.

There are some Codes which so far defy a tidy statistical way to compare them. But, they have not been duplicated in other long Hebrew texts. Some of these kinds of features are:

1) Codes crossing key words of the Code with key words of the Surface text about the same topic.

2) Clusters of shorter codes which would not, in terms of the LATEST criteria, qualify as statistically significant but which are all consistent with each other and with the key passage in the surface text which the central Code in the cluster crosses key words of.

3) Beautifully artistic clusters of codes. In at least one case, with Crosses--as I recall--dozens of them in a fairly tight cluster and I think there was a surface Text verse also about the cross that a key Code in that cluster crossed.

To my knowledge such features and more have not been found in any lengthy Hebrew text but the Scriptures.

I don't think The Codes are more than God having fun--the foolishness of God being greater than the wisdom of man. I think God is laughing watching man's reactions. I think it is His supernatural exclamation point to the surface text and to His timeless majesty, power etc.

I personally await much more vividly significant codes which will buttress end time events. I just don't think it's God's time yet for them to be revealed. As I don't think it's God's time yet for us to have some Biblical prophecies all figured out.

The closed mindedness and often blind fierceness about the Codes is more than unfortunate. It's sad, unnecessary and virtually always from inadequate to no solid info or understanding about the Codes--especially about the latest stage of the research.

And the fuzzy headed thinking expounded about them is mind boggling in and of itself, imho.


17 posted on 06/21/2004 12:18:54 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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