Dear friend, It is difficult to read everything but what I said is the truth. I know its hard to believe that such a thing can happen but you see this is why the Conciliar Popes call the schismatics who do not believe in papal infaliblity or in papal primacy "sister Churches" well don't you think that they ought to leave their offering at the table and go and be reconciled to their brothers the traditional Catholic's who do believe in Papal infallibility and Papal primacy but have been scandalized as so many of us have been in the Mess we find ourselves in??
see http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=3135 1 Paul VI and Athenagoras I, "Joint Declaration Penetres de Reconnaissance" (Dec. 7, 1965), 3: Acta Apostolicae Sedis 58 (1966), 20. The excommunications were mutually lifted in 1965: "Pope Paul VI and Patriarch Athenagoras I in his synod ... declare by mutual agreement ... to regret and to remove from memory and from the midst of the church the sentences of excommunication" (ibid., 4); cf. also Paul VI apostolic letter Ambulate in Dilectione (Dec. 12, 1965): AAS 58 (1966), 40-41; Athenagoras I, Patriarchal Tomos (Dec. 7, 1965): Tomos Agapes Vatican-Phanar (1958-1970), 129 (Vatican Polyglot Press: Rome-Istanbul, 1971), 290-294.
Also why would you think I don't believe in the grace of God? The quote you gave me has nothing to do St. Augustine's quote on grace and free will or a Pope falling from Grace and being excommunicated which one already has namely Honorius. Facts are facts. We have to stick to the facts. God bless you
which one already has namely Honorius
Honorius wasn't a heretic.
Here is my correction for my last mistakenly worded paragraph. "Also why would you think I don't believe in the grace of God? The St. Augustine quote you gave me on grace which I agree with has nothing to do with nor says anything about a Pope falling from Grace and being excommunicated which one already has namely Honorius. Facts are facts. Many Catholics who started off good went bad such a Lamannais which incidently the Vatican is also rehabilitating. Of cource we know that Lamennais promoted the papal infallibility doctrine of which later he recanted and he died outside the Church refusing a Catholic priest. He was a heretic but now the revolutionaries think he is a great guy due to their emphasis on social justice.
But I digress. We don't believe as Catholics once saved always saved. God respects our free will including a Pope's free will. Bellarmaine says it is possible for a validly elected Pope to defect just not probable and I agree with this great doctor of the Church. We have to stick to the facts. God bless you."