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Some thoughts on the Tridentine Mass in Chicago
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| June 4, 2004
| Fr. Burns K. Seeley, S.S.J.C.
Posted on 06/10/2004 10:17:30 AM PDT by NYer
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posted on
06/10/2004 10:17:34 AM PDT
by
NYer
To: NYer
See there? Nice coexistence of the two liturgies.
And, of all people, Bernardin was the instigator of the Tridentine Mass in Chicago!
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posted on
06/10/2004 10:21:26 AM PDT
by
sinkspur
(Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
To: *Catholic_list; american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; Polycarp IV; narses; ...
For one thing, about two hundred former families of the Society of St. Pius X and other independent chapels were brought into the parish and into full communnion with the Catholic Church. A peaceful coexistence can and should exist.
When you pray you rise to meet in the air those who are praying at that very hour, and whom save in prayer you may not meet.
Khalil Gibran on Prayer
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posted on
06/10/2004 10:25:58 AM PDT
by
NYer
(I would not believe the Gospel unless moved thereto by the Church. "- St. Augustine of Hippo)
To: sinkspur
This is one more (of the few) issue that I'm in total agreement with you on. Make both masses available to everyone and and long as it's orthodox and reverent, let people worship as they please.
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posted on
06/10/2004 10:29:20 AM PDT
by
AAABEST
(Lord have mercy on us)
To: sinkspur
The Catechism of the Catholic Church is the foundation for all classes taught at St. John Cantius Parish. What a revolutionary concept! /sarcasm
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posted on
06/10/2004 10:30:17 AM PDT
by
NYer
(I would not believe the Gospel unless moved thereto by the Church. "- St. Augustine of Hippo)
To: sinkspur
Yes, this is a good story. It shows that the people who are so strongly against the celebration of the old Mass, have nothing to fear.
It also shows that, contrary to what some would claim, the Missa Normativa can be celebrated reverently and properly, and that generous application of the Traditional Latin Mass can also help in that regard.
I would love to see such co-existance become the norm, allowing those who are attached to each form of the liturgy their preference.
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posted on
06/10/2004 10:30:37 AM PDT
by
B Knotts
To: AAABEST
Make both masses available to everyone and and long as it's orthodox and reverent, let people worship as they please. You are absolutely right! Both liturgies are valid - let both be celebrated and let catholics choose which liturgy best meets their spiritual need.
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posted on
06/10/2004 10:33:04 AM PDT
by
NYer
(I would not believe the Gospel unless moved thereto by the Church. "- St. Augustine of Hippo)
To: NYer
I can tell by the pic that this Chicago church is probably very old. It reminds me of the New York church that I was baptized in (St. Pancras), which is over 100 years old now.
They don't make em like that anymore.
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posted on
06/10/2004 10:37:31 AM PDT
by
AAABEST
(Lord have mercy on us)
To: NYer
The Novus Ordo Latin mass at St. John Cantius hardly resembles the typical Novus Ordo. In this mass, the priest faces the altar and sings the mass in Latin, many would probably see little difference, at least externally, between this mass and the high Tridentine mass. Even the English Masses at this parish are not like the typical NO masses since they use altar rails here and only priests and deacons distribute communion.
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posted on
06/10/2004 10:40:43 AM PDT
by
RFT1
To: NYer
Almost like an oxymoron? No?
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posted on
06/10/2004 10:50:22 AM PDT
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: NYer; AAABEST; All
Would be interesting to see which would become the more popular.. I know where I would be....
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posted on
06/10/2004 11:34:40 AM PDT
by
.45MAN
("Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain..")
To: NYer
Oh I forgot to tell you. I found a Byzantine Catholic church right down the road from my house! I just stumbled across it on my way to another event.
I was thinking about you when I saw it. I'm going to find out mass times today and will certainly be checking it out ASAP.
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posted on
06/10/2004 11:40:56 AM PDT
by
AAABEST
(Lord have mercy on us)
To: AAABEST
"Make both masses available to everyone and and long as it's orthodox and reverent, let people worship as they please."
So, what are we to do with those that are irreverant - ie the other 99% of NO "Masses"? Are we allowed (outside of free will)to worship at those that are irreverent?
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posted on
06/10/2004 12:19:14 PM PDT
by
corpus
To: corpus
So, what are we to do with those that are irreverant - ie the other 99% of NO "Masses"? Are we allowed (outside of free will)to worship at those that are irreverent? YOU worship at the Tridentine Mass. I thought that's what you wanted.
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posted on
06/10/2004 12:24:38 PM PDT
by
sinkspur
(Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
To: sinkspur
YOU avoided the question. It's not what I want that matters.
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posted on
06/10/2004 12:40:43 PM PDT
by
corpus
To: corpus
Why not worship at a Mass that affords you what you want, and allow others to do the same?
Or do you, like some, insist that the Novus Ordo has to go?
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posted on
06/10/2004 12:43:33 PM PDT
by
sinkspur
(Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
To: sinkspur
You are still avoiding the question. It was directed to AAABEST, but if you want to dialogue, sinkspur, it helps if we stay on topic. So please answer the question or pipe down, please.
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posted on
06/10/2004 12:50:34 PM PDT
by
corpus
To: corpus
The answer to your question is: go to a Tridentine Mass if you're not happy with the Novus Ordo Mass.
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posted on
06/10/2004 12:52:00 PM PDT
by
sinkspur
(Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
To: corpus
According to the evening prayers in my Saint Andrew Daily Missal (Tridentine), irreverence at mass is a sin against the First Commandment. Therefore, I don't think you are allowed to worship at those masses.
To: Bellarmine
"According to the evening prayers in my Saint Andrew Daily Missal (Tridentine), irreverence at mass is a sin against the First Commandment. Therefore, I don't think you are allowed to worship at those masses."
Yes, I understand MY irreverence at Mass would be sinful. My question is: is one allowed to attend a Mass that is irreverent? I ask this because I so often see people talking about the reverence of the Traditional Latin Mass as opposed to the NO. Where do we draw the line? Liturgical dancers in tights?
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posted on
06/10/2004 1:39:21 PM PDT
by
corpus
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