[ultima ratio]

Of course traditionalists wish the suppression of the Novus Ordo. Look at the harm it's already done to the Catholic faith! Why should we want to keep it?

[sinkspur]

Of course traditionalists wish the suppression of the Novus Ordo. Look at the harm it's already done to the Catholic faith! Why should we want to keep it?

Here ya go, Pyro. Suppression of the Novus Ordo is the objective of the mouth breathers and Williamson-worshippers in the SSPX.

And, Knotts, UR is exhibit A of what I was speaking.

[B Knotts]

Some traditionalists wish it. Others do not. I do not think it is fair to blame all that has gone wrong in the post-concilar Church on the new Mass. The decline had started even before Vatican II, actually, AFAIK.

On the other hand, it is true, IMO, that practically all of the present problems can be traced to modernism, which, as you know, Pope St. Pius X warned about even in 1907.

I'm no expert on Church history, but IMHO, and from what I have read on the matter, it could be fairly said that the Council, the new Mass, the air of reform to the point of excess, and the "spirit of Vatican II" merely gave modernism the room to breath that it subsequently used to inflict the harm on the Church that we now see.