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To: dsc; Ippolita; B Knotts; AlguyA; xJones

***Jesus IS God. One God in three Persons, remember?***
***I'd like to remind you that Jesus IS God!***
***...her Son is God, isn't He?***
***Hmmm. Petronius, are you saying Jesus isn't God?***


Of course the Godhead is three Persons. Three distinct Persons. But to confuse the Personages is also heresy.


The Marian "apparition" distinguishes between God and Jesus in her message - She refers to them both. (See below)


"Jesus wishes to make use of you to have me acknowledged and loved. He wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart... To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart..."

And the fact that "she" distinguishes them makes "her" statement even MORE blasphemous. "She" acknowledges Jesus but still claims to be the road that will lead people to God.

At worst "she" is guilty of imprecision in "her" use of language - VERY suspect when coming from a spiritual apparition that claims to stand in the presence of God.


28 posted on 05/31/2004 11:31:46 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus
"Of course the Godhead is three Persons. Three distinct Persons. But to confuse the Personages is also heresy."

And nowhere does Our Lady at Fatima confuse the three Personages. It was you who got confused and, rather than admit it, now offer this silly reposte. If I say, "Today, I shall try to bring people to God" or I say, "Today, I shall try to bring people to Jesus," I have said EXACTLY the same thing.

Your problem is, when you read about Our Lady at Fatima, you were in such a hurry to find fault you read "God" and thought, "God the Father," and, interestingly enough, forgot all about the fact that it is perfectly legitimate to call Jesus, "God." Then, rather than admit your mistake, your pride led you to post this latest laughable offering. Consider the words you find at best, "imprecise," and, at worst, "blasphemous:"

"The Marian "apparition" distinguishes between God and Jesus in her message - She refers to them both. (See below)

"Jesus wishes to make use of you to have me acknowledged and loved. He wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart... To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart..."

In these words she's not DISTINGUISHING between God and Jesus at all. Indeed, she points out Jesus wants to "establish in the world devotion to My Immaculate Heart" and God wants to "establish in the world devotion to My Immaculate Heart." That she is referring to the same Entity -God the Son- is immediately indicated by the fact the same goal, "devotion to My Immaculate Heart" is ascribed to God and to Jesus, i.e. the same Entity. The only way you can read that to be distinguishing between God and Jesus is if you, yourself, distinguish between them. Which no good Catholic -including the Mother of God- would ever do.

Thus, the only "blasphemy" on this thread comes from you, who continue to insist that to use "God" and "Jesus" interchangably is potentially blasphemous.

32 posted on 05/31/2004 3:35:01 PM PDT by AlguyA
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