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To: gbcdoj
Forgive me, I obviously wasn't clear. I meant that praying to Mary, or St.whatever, or your dead grandmother to interceed for you with God is not scriptural.

And also, it shouldn't take an apparition calling itself "Mary" to point the way to Jesus. The apparition is the one that ends up with all the attention.

10 posted on 05/30/2004 7:34:38 AM PDT by xJones
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To: xJones
...is not scriptural.

Nonsense. Sola scriptura is not scriptural.

11 posted on 05/30/2004 8:01:09 AM PDT by Fifthmark
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To: xJones
I meant that praying to Mary, or St.whatever, or your dead grandmother to interceed for you with God is not scriptural.
Call now, if there be any that will answer thee, and turn to some of the saints. (Job 5:1)
When thou didst pray with tears, and didst bury the dead, and didst leave thy dinner, and hide the dead by day in thy house, and bury them by night, I offered thy prayer to the Lord. (Tobias 12:12)
Now the vision was in this manner. Onias, who had been high priest, a good and virtuous man, modest in his looks, gentle in his manners, and graceful in speech, and who from a child was exercised in virtues holding up his hands, prayed for all the people of the Jews: After this there appeared also another man, admirable for age, and glory, and environed with great beauty and majesty: Then Onias answering, said: This is a lover of his brethren, and of the people of Israel: this is he that prayeth much for the people, and for all the holy city, Jeremias, the prophet of God. Whereupon Jeremias stretched forth his right hand, and gave to Judas a sword of gold, saying: Take this holy sword, a gift from God, wherewith thou shalt overthrow the adversaries of my people Israel. (2 Machabees 18:12-16)
And another angel came and stood before the altar, having a golden censer: and there was given to him much incense, that he should offer of the prayers of all saints, upon the golden altar which is before the throne of God. And the smoke of the incense of the prayers of the saints ascended up before God from the hand of the angel. (Revelation 8:3-4)

The ability to ask the saints in heaven to intercede for you follows directly from the nature of the Beatific Vision of God's essence, in which those glorified know all that is fitting, including requests made for their prayers.

12 posted on 05/30/2004 8:04:23 AM PDT by gbcdoj
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To: xJones

"it shouldn't take an apparition"

If I see God, I'll tell him He's doing things all wrong, according to xJones.

It shouldn't?????


14 posted on 05/30/2004 9:08:14 AM PDT by dsc (The Crusades were the first wars on terrorism.)
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