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To: ultima ratio
This is not mere sinfulness--it's heresy. Try again--this time with your blinders off.

The Pope's failure to discipline the rector of the shrine is an error in judgment. It has nothing to do with heresy, as can be clearly shown from his Catechism which condemns the worship of false gods.

50 posted on 05/27/2004 7:01:33 PM PDT by gbcdoj (in mundo pressuram habetis, sed confidite, ego vici mundum)
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To: gbcdoj

"The Pope's failure to discipline the rector of the shrine is an error in judgment. It has nothing to do with heresy, as can be clearly shown from his Catechism which condemns the worship of false gods."

I have said many times--don't look at what this pope writes, look at how he behaves. On paper he is orthodox, in behavior he is unorthodox. In encyclicals he condemns liturgical abuses, in his own papal Masses abuses flourish. On paper he condemns the worship of false gods, in his policies he fosters the practice. On paper he tells bishops that eliminating kneeling for Communion will undermine the dogma of the Real Presence, but in practice he permits it.


57 posted on 05/27/2004 7:43:48 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: gbcdoj; 8mmMauser; AAABEST; Polycarp IV; NYer; Salvation; cpforlife.org; ultima ratio; ...

Kasper is not going to deny anything- its what he leaves out and the unorthodox way he rephrases traditional theology to sound antithical to the old. This man is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
Kasper is a liberal and this is what Pius IX said:In a letter to the French deputation headed by the Bishop of Nevers on June 18, 1871, Blessed “That which I fear is not the Commune of Paris - no - that which I fear is liberal Catholicism ... I have said so more than forty times, and I repeat it to you now, through the love that I bear you. The real scourge of France is Liberal Catholicism, which endeavors to unite two principles as repugnant to each other as fire and water.”10
Quoted from The Catholic Doctrine, Father Michael Muller (Benzinger, 1888?) p. 282 He also had shady goings on with the German government over handing out certificates about abortion for which he received a slap in the wrist by the Pope and Cardinal Ratziner then was promoted with the cardinal’s hat www.thetablet.co.uk/cgi-bin/citw.cgi/past-00006 - 23k and www.dailycatholic.org/issue/2001Apr/apr2ed.htm - 18k

POPE Saint PIUS X PASCENDI DOMINICI GREGIS (Modernism) #18 “Hence in their books you find some things which might well be expressed by a Catholic, but in the next page you find other things which might have been dictated by a rationalist. When they write history they make no mention of the divinity of Christ, but when they are in the pulpit they profess it clearly; again, when they write history they pay no heed to the Fathers and the Councils, but when they catechize the people, they cite them respectfully...feeling no horror at treading in the footsteps of Luther, they are wont to display a certain contempt for Catholic doctrines, or the Holy Fathers, for the Ecumenical Councils, for the ecclesiastical magisterium; and should they be rebuked for this, they complain that they are being deprived of their liberty.”

Cardinal Walter Kasper, President of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity:
"The decision of Vatican II, to which the Pope adheres and spreads, is absolutely clear: Today we no longer understand ecumenism in the sense of the ecumenism of a return, by which the others would 'be converted' and return to being 'Catholics.' This was expressly abandoned by Vatican II. Today ecumenism is considered as the common road: all should be converted to the following of Christ, and it is in Christ that we will find ourselves in the end.... Even the Pope, among other things, describes ecumenism in Ut unum sint as an exchange of gifts. I think this is very well said: each Church has its own riches and gifts of the Spirit, and it is this exchange that unity is trying to be achieved and not the fact that we should become 'Protestants' or that the others should become 'Catholics' in the sense of accepting the confessional form of Catholicism." (Adista, Rome, February 26, 2001, p. 9 - Emphasis mine)

Kasper Vs. Past papal teaching on searching for Unity.
ln 1919,the Holy See being invited to send delegates, politely declined. Pope
Benedict XV explained that although his earnest desire was one fold and
one shepherd, it would be impossible for the Catholic Church to join with
others in search of unity. “As for the Church of Christ, it is already one
and could not give the appearance of searching for itself or for its own
unity.”

[ The pope reiterates that true unity can be reached only when
non-Catholics return to the Church ]
Pope Pius XI in Mortalium Animos
" So, Venerable Brethren, it is clear why this Apostolic See has never
allowed its subjects to take part in the assemblies of non-Catholics: for
the union of Christians can only be promoted by promoting the return to
the one true Church of Christ of those who are separated from it, for in
the past they have unhappily left it. " Pope JP II never tells anyone
to come back to the Catholic Church.

Kasper heresy came in an address filled with theological errors that he delivered to a Catholic-Anglican conference in late May 2003. In this address Kasper proclaimed, among other outrages, that ““Jesus was well aware…… that his disciples would not be one, and that they would be dispersed”” and that ““The unity of the Church can be accomplished only by a renewed Pentecost……”” After denying the unity of the Church, Kasper declared that ““unity”” between Catholics and Anglicans is ““not a question of apostolic succession in the sense of an historical chain of laying on of hands running back through the centuries to one of the apostles —— this would be a very mechanical and individualistic vision, which, by the way, historically could hardly be proved and ascertained.””

Kasper added: ““To stand in the apostolic succession is not a matter of an individual historical chain, but of collegial membership in a collegium, which, as a whole, goes back to the apostles by sharing the same apostolic faith and the same apostolic mission……. Such acknowledgement is not a question of an uninterrupted chain, but of the uninterrupted sharing of faith and mission, and as such is a question of communion in the same faith and in the same mission.””

Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos (#9), on the unity of the Church: “… that unity can only arise from one teaching authority, one law of belief and one faith of Christians.”(119)

Pope Pius X, Encyclical, May 26, 1910: “… the Church remains immutable and constant, ‘as the pillar and foundation of truth,’ in professing one identical doctrine…”(120)

St. Francis De Sales, Doctor of the Church: “The Church is a holy university or general company of men united and collected together in the profession of one same Christian faith…”(121)

Perhaps Kasper gets his lead from Pope John Paul II’s “search for unity” instead of telling people to return to the one true Church- the Catholic Church “ "The world needs the witness of our unity, rooted in our common love for and obedience to Christ and his Gospel. It is
fidelity to Christ which compels us to continue to search for full visible unity and to find appropriate ways of engaging, whenever possible, in common witness and mission.”

Kasper thus openly called for a ““re-evaluation”” and a ““new”” understanding of an infallible and thus irreformable papal pronouncement! He even had the temerity to cast doubt on the infallible definition of papal primacy at the First Vatican Council (1869/70): ““[T]he historical conditionality of the dogma of the First Vatican Council (1869/70)…… must be distinguished from its remaining obligatory content.”” The Pope has given the red hat to a man who publicly proclaims infallible dogmas to be historically conditional¾ precisely as Cardinal Ratzinger [yet another JP II cardinal] has done with the pre-Vatican II anti-modernist and anti-liberal pronouncements he does not like.In 1990, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith issued an ““Instruction on the Theologian’’s Ecclesiastical Vocation.”” In explaining the Instruction to the press, Cardinal Ratzinger asserted that certain teachings of the Magisterium were ““not considered to be the final word on the subject as such, but serve rather as a mooring in the problem, and, above all, as an expression of pastoral prudence, a kind of temporary disposition.”” As examples of these ““temporary dispositions,”” Ratzinger cited ““the statements of the Popes during the last century on religious freedom, as well as the anti-modernist decisions at the beginning of this century, especially the decisions of the Biblical Commission of that time.”” L’’Osservatore Romano, English Weekly Edition, July 2, 1990. p. 5.

See www.cpats.org/.../2002_12DecermberQuestions/2002DecArticleOnMissionRoleWithJewishPeople.cfm - 10k By John Thavis
Catholic News Service November 7, 2002
VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- In their relations with Jews, Christians cannot conceal the strong missionary dimension of their faith, but also must recognize that Jews do not have to convert in order to be saved, a top Vatican official (Kasper) said.

Cardinal Kasper has just published an article rejecting Cardinal Ratzinger’’s theological statement The Church as Communion, which he issued in 1992 as head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. This document (however ambiguously) upholds the primacy of the universal Church, centered in Rome, over local ““particular churches.””


107 posted on 06/14/2004 3:27:08 PM PDT by pro Athanasius
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