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Bible Separation
Baptist pillar ^ | K. David Oldfield

Posted on 05/17/2004 10:23:13 PM PDT by RMrattlesnake

Bible Separation

Not only does the Bible graphically demand separation from sin, apostasy – sinners and apostates, it also teaches it by example. You see, separation is not a fanciful pastoral plot to make Christians’ lives miserable, nor is it a matter of congregational jealousy to keep their new converts from becoming other church’s new converts. It is clearly taught, generally and specifically, in the pages of God’s Holy (sanctified – separated) Book.

It is possible to write volumes analyzing the unmistakable demands of God about separation, but in this article lets’ note a couple of actual cases – Noah’s ark, Lot’s house arrest in Sodom, and the three Hebrew children in the fiery furnace. Each was separation but vastly different in several areas, so let’s tie them together with four simple questions.

Who Ordered This Separation?

Pastors are often accused of preaching separation arbitrarily. They condemn shorts, bathing suits, ungodly hair styles, fraternal groups, movies, political entanglements, religious mixed marriages, etc., and people sometimes accuse them of ‘lording’ over the people – arbitrary meanness. But it’s God’s Word that demands that people who call themselves by God’s name must live holy lives.

Who ordered Noah’s isolation from society? Jehovah! Who came to the house of Lot in wicked Sodom with murderous homosexuals at the door? It is God who says, "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world..." It is Jehovah who says, "...Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness..."

In the case of the Jews in Shushan the situation was different. God didn’t order their arrest and furnace fling. No, but it was a result of their obedience to God’s Second Command, "Thou shalt not bow to false gods." They obeyed God and separation from the ungodly came automatically. Noah choose to separate; Lot was forced to depart; and the three in Shushan found it came automatically, but all these lived the life of pleasing to God, no matter how temporarily.

The responsibility for the results of Bible separation lies on God’s shoulders, just as does the authority.

What Was The Separating Substance?

Silly question? Not at all! In each case, God’s servants were separated from the unbeliever by a door – a very real, substantial, heavy barrier, telling us that separation is as real and tangible as a two inch mahogany door with a dead-bolt and chain.

Bible separation is not a notation in Heaven, a membership card in some religious club or an imaginary line in someone’s mind. Noah was in and the unbeliever was out, dying to get in; the Sodomites were locked out and so were the Babylonians. You may know that you are different from the lost man, God knows this too, but the worldling probably won’t unless there is real separation in your life.

What Was Outside That Door?

In each case there were two kinds of people outside – the ungodly and the unspiritual – lost and backslidden.

Also outside that separation was the judgment of Jehovah. Outside is the anger of God (James 4:4). If you hear the call for separation and you refuse – you better brush up on your dog-paddling, because the rain will probably soon fall. Stand outside the door of Lot’s house and you may be raped or murdered. What was outside the door of separation at the First Passover? What was outside the temple door for the boy-king Joash? It is infinitely safer inside Bible separation than outside!

Oh, but what about the other example? Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego? There was no immediate judgment on Babylon! The key word is "immediate." Just chalk that up to God’s longsuffering. Lack of fire from heaven is not proof that separation from sin is outdated. God still says "...come out from among them and be ye separate..."

What Was In That Separation? What Effect Does It Have?

For Noah it was salvation – deliverance. Salvation itself is a kind of separation, although not physical. Was Noah saved by separation or was he separated because he was saved? The latter. Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord before ark construction ever began. And of course, the New Testament says, "For by grace are ye saved through faith..." If you are not a Christian, there is only one way to be saved.

Noah was saved bodily by separation, and so it was with Lot.

For Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, it was their testimony that was saved. When they willingly were tossed into the fire, they were telling the world: "Jehovah is the only true and living God. He is worth living for and dying for. Your ungodly religion is not worth a backward glance." These Jews were in all the papers – so to speak. This is what Christianity needs today – righteous testimony empowered by lives of real Bible separation.

And there was something else inside that separation – I should say Someone else. God invited Noah inside the ark to be with Himself. God’s angels were inside Lots’ house when he separated from the filthy. And there was One like the Son of Man with the three Hebrews in that furnace.

Dear Readers, if there was no other benefit in separation than this alone – it would be enough. I want to be where Jesus is – in Bible separation.


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; Theology
KEYWORDS: seperation; worldlyness

1 posted on 05/17/2004 10:23:14 PM PDT by RMrattlesnake
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To: RMrattlesnake
Not only does the Bible graphically demand separation from sin, apostasy – sinners and apostates, it also teaches it by example.

"I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world." (1 Cor. 5:9-10)

Biblical separation does not involve staying away from immoral people, otherwise, as Paul says, you would need to leave this world.

2 posted on 05/18/2004 9:30:37 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: RMrattlesnake

How can we preach the Gospel to the nations, and love people as Jesus did, without commingling with PEOPLE? I think the Bible is telling us to be a part of the world, but not to wallow in it.


3 posted on 05/18/2004 9:44:58 AM PDT by gal522
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To: RMrattlesnake
A strange little article. I observe that all of the examples are from the Old Testament.

What of the example of Our Lord, who ate and drank with tax collectors and harlots?

The article sounds more like an exhortation to imitate the Pharisee who thanked God that he was not like other men than to follow Our Lord.

4 posted on 05/18/2004 12:16:21 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (XC is risen from the dead, trampling down death by death and upon those in the tombs bestowing life!)
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To: RMrattlesnake

Matthew 9:10 Then it happened that as Jesus was reclining at the table in the house, behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and were dining with Jesus and His disciples.
11 When the Pharisees saw this, they said to His disciples, "Why is your Teacher eating with the tax collectors and sinners?"
12 But when Jesus heard this, He said, "It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick.
13 "But go and learn what this means: 'I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

'Nuff said?

Yes, we are to not be "unequally yoked" - we as Christians, should not marry non-Christians, or perhaps even not form business partnerships with non-Christians, or join non-Christian clubs. Lets examine that last - take Boy Scouts. Is that a non-Christian organization? Yes - they require that you have faith, but they don't require that it be faith in Jesus - thus, it is equally open to Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, pretty much anything but atheists. In practice, at least in my son's pack, it is all Christians. We open in prayers to God, and ask in the name of Jesus. We are predominatly Protestant, but Catholics are included. I would have to say that, at least for us, we are equally yoked.


5 posted on 05/18/2004 12:36:33 PM PDT by FactQuest
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To: FactQuest
it is a matter of influence. Are you being a influence or are they being and influence on you. Jesus spend time with tax collectors and sinners but he so to influence them. Notice he did not become like them. So many Christan me include had tried to bring old Friends into righteous living and the knowledge of Jesus Christ the only way. Sometimes worldly Friends can influence us and take our eye of GOD.
6 posted on 05/19/2004 6:06:44 AM PDT by RMrattlesnake
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To: RMrattlesnake

So you agree that Biblical separation involves being obedient to the commands of Christ, not "demand[ing] separation from ... sinners and apostates", which would be impossible.

It too bad the article started off on the wrong foot.


7 posted on 05/19/2004 1:47:28 PM PDT by topcat54
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To: RMrattlesnake; P-Marlowe; RnMomof7; snerkel; Jean Chauvin; jude24; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; ...

***it is a matter of influence. Are you being a influence or are they being and influence on you. ***

Is FRee Republic religion forum an influence on you -- I mean hanging out with NASV toting, wine drinking, CCM music listening, baby baptising, neo-evangelicals?

Not to mention those ....... Mary venerating Catholics and candle burning Orthodox folk.

And I won't mention that group from Salt Lake City.


Sure you shouldn't log off -OR- do you thin k you are influencing us?


8 posted on 05/19/2004 2:03:00 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: RMrattlesnake
Jesus ate and drank with drunks and thieves. The legalists called him a winebibber

As a Christian I have so little in common with "the world" that I have little contact with it outside my unsaved family (and even that can be difficult)

But the gospel must be presented to the whole world.. if the apostles had stayed in a tight little group , the church would have died.

9 posted on 05/19/2004 2:51:26 PM PDT by RnMomof7 ("You did not choose me I chose you " Jesus Christ)
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To: drstevej

Ya now that you mention it ...this forum is a terrible influence :>)))


10 posted on 05/19/2004 2:52:58 PM PDT by RnMomof7 ("You did not choose me I chose you " Jesus Christ)
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To: drstevej

Mary venerating RC bump


11 posted on 05/19/2004 5:07:59 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (Obedience is the weapon of Modernists)
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To: RMrattlesnake
Bible Separation

St.John 14:6.........

(Romans 10:17)

Maranatha!!

12 posted on 05/19/2004 8:16:25 PM PDT by maestro
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To: drstevej

there is no way you could influence me. So I have no worries when it come to the likness of you. I could log on all day and read your rambling have never be influenced period.


13 posted on 05/21/2004 12:52:46 AM PDT by RMrattlesnake
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