Posted on 05/15/2004 10:58:03 AM PDT by narses
One of Satan's favorite tricks is convincing people he doesn't exist. In this case, just disappearing. It seems he has friends in the Vatican.
Hail to another C.S. Lewis fan!
Even then, he was saying the choice is becoming more clear and inevitable, the choice "between Mordred and Arthur."
Now that it's been some years since I attended the novus ordo, I trust your judgement on this one.
From what I recall though the novus ordo differed markedly depending on whether the priest was tradition-minded or just another raving liberal.
As far as I'm aware omission of the Leonine prayers from the novus ordo was never mandated by the Vatican.
If they are omitted, it's a shame.
Was honestly never much of a Malachi Martin fan, but might pick up Windswept House at the library and give it a go. I think his appearances on Art Bell put me off. In any event - hard to not be bothered by all of the latest and ongoing abuse allegations.
In our diocese we have had a priest arrested and convicted for making and selling the date rape drug. A Monsignor was recently removed for allegations of abuse years ago. Dozens of priests have been removed from ministry because of abuse allegations. One particular gay priest I personally knew was kept in 'service' because of the priest shortage. Even though this particular priest took some time off to tend bar at a gay strip club in Florida that his 'lover' worked at, he was urged by the bishop to return to ministry, twice. I know because he told me this right before he tried to get me into his bed. (I not-so-respectfully declined.) His partner is now now dead from AIDS and I believe he is as well.
And ours is supposed to be a solid diocese. Hate to see a liberal one...
We will ordain a single, solitary priest this year and it is becoming clear that many men who might hear the call are unwilling to be lumped in with some of the dross produced during the 60's.
Yet the Church is one, holy, catholic and Apostolic. There is nowhere else I can or would rather be, this side of Heaven.
A_R
The Tridentine Mass and the Novus Ordo Mass are both forms of the Roman/Latin Rite. They are not separate Rites.
Where did you find this quote? In this article or another?
The St. Michael prayer and the three Hail Mary's are just plain not included in the Order of the Mass.
It's not a question of being mandated. Pope Paul VI just never included them in the Novus Ordo.
One of the "rules" is - if there is no rule, it doesn't exist.
Unfortunately, that is only followed in cases of Orthodoxy, not inventions.
I get your point - the Leonine prayers have been quietly forgotten by the liberals - as if Pope Leo XIII's mandate never existed; similar to how the modernists who've taken over our chanceries quietly forget about Pope St Pius V's "Quo Primum" as if it never existed.
As you probably know, abrogation of the traditional Latin Mass was never mandated either.
In other words, priests of the Roman rite should still be allowed to use the Leonine prayers and traditional Latin Mass without restriction.
Isn't it strange that such open-minded "laissez-faire" liberals, who permit practically everything else, can't tolerate the traditional Latin Mass - or even just the Leonine prayers?
Such otherwise "tolerant", mild-mannered (even limp-wristed) individuals seem to a fly into a rage at the mere mention of anything "traditional".
I wonder if satan has anything to do with the status quo?
It is in the posted article, end of next to last paragraph.
it's also on RCF website somewhere.
Just common sense, really, but glad that the cardinal said it.
you wrote:
One of Satan's favorite tricks is convincing people he doesn't exist. In this case, just disappearing. It seems he has friends in the Vatican.
I believe the Pope years ago was quoted as saying that "Jesus said "I am Who AM"."
'Devil says "I am who am not."'
God is merciful. So, yes, I think a liberal can escape Hell. What is important in this case is was he in friendship with God at the moment of death.
"All the graces necessary for salvation" promise to the three children regarding devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary "...grace of final repentance" promise to St. Margret Mary regarding devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus. It is my fervent prayer that at the hour of death many people who seem to have left the faith truly repent.
Yes, you are right! For purposes of clarification, however, the better word would be 'liturgy'. In the 'liturgy' of the Mass of the 1962 Missal, the Prayer to St. Michael the Archangel is still said. In the 'liturgy of the Mass of the 1969 Missal, the prayer is no longer included.
Don't let these threads bother you - it's not worth it! The Catholic Church is wide and diverse, encompasing 22 different liturgies As a cradle catholic, I have only just discovered the Maronite Catholic liturgy. It is one of the oldest, dating back to when St. Peter brought the 'good news' to Antioch. It is the ONLY liturgy within the Catholic Church, that retains the language and words of our Lord at the Last Supper for the Consecration. It is in Aramaic! Communion is by intinction, on the tongue. The priest - ONLY the priest - dips the consecrated host into the Precious Blood, places the host on the communicant's tongue and says: "Receive the Body and Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, for the remission of your sins and eternal salvation".
You can learn more about the Catholic Rites at this link:
"Actually, I've been reading up on exorcism. Terrifying stuff."
Can you recommend anything that would be educational, as opposed to "just scary?"
"What is important in this case is was he in friendship with God at the moment of death."
That presumes that the liberal had a deathbed epiphany, rejected liberalism, and achieved perfect repentance for a lifetime of sin and leading others astray.
(And yes, I believe that knowingly voting for a politician who supports affirmative action or intends to use taxation to redistribute wealth is a sin.)
With God, all things are possible, but from my finite human perspective, I don't see that happening all too often.
And to be perhaps overly picky, a person who had such a deathbed epiphany wouldn't die a liberal.
Father Gabriele Amorth's first book, 'An Exorcist Tells His Story' is good. He gives definitions and recommendations for treatment in addition to anecdotes from his experiences. I don't agree with everything in the book (he's fond of the renewal movement), but there is some good information in it.
Thanks, they don't bother me too much. I went through a lot when I came back to the Church and my Faith is pretty unshakable. I used to do battle with charismatic/pentecostal Catholics who were following Protestant Pentecostal 'apostlic' leaders. I appreciate the concern though.
My old website. I used to work on it in my spare time - no more spare time so it is a little out of date.
A_R
Wherever a bureaucracy can silence holy men we see the mark of evil.
The Holy See is not much different from the chanceries, is it?
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