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To: wgeorge2001
ecumenical orders that set a man above the Word of God(like a pope)

The Pope is not above the Word of God.

1. The same Holy mother Church holds and teaches that God, the source and end of all things, can be known with certainty from the consideration of created things, by the natural power of human reason : ever since the creation of the world, his invisible nature has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made. [13] 2. It was, however, pleasing to his wisdom and goodness to reveal himself and the eternal laws of his will to the human race by another, and that a supernatural, way. This is how the Apostle puts it : In many and various ways God spoke of old to our fathers by the prophets; but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son [14].

3. It is indeed thanks to this divine revelation, that those matters concerning God which are not of themselves beyond the scope of human reason, can, even in the present state of the human race, be known by everyone without difficulty, with firm certitude and with no intermingling of error.

4. It is not because of this that one must hold revelation to be absolutely necessary; the reason is that God directed human beings to a supernatural end, that is a sharing in the good things of God that utterly surpasses the understanding of the human mind; indeed eye has not seen, neither has ear heard, nor has it come into our hearts to conceive what things God has prepared for those who love him [15].

5. Now this supernatural revelation, according to the belief of the universal Church, as declared by the sacred Council of Trent, is contained in written books and unwritten traditions, which were received by the apostles from the lips of Christ himself, or came to the apostles by the dictation of the Holy Spirit, and were passed on as it were from hand to hand until they reached us [16].

6. The complete books of the old and the new Testament with all their parts, as they are listed in the decree of the said Council and as they are found in the old Latin Vulgate edition, are to be received as sacred and canonical.

7. These books the Church holds to be sacred and canonical not because she subsequently approved them by her authority after they had been composed by unaided human skill, nor simply because they contain revelation without error, but because, being written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, they have God as their author, and were as such committed to the Church.

8. Now since the decree on the interpretation of Holy Scripture, profitably made by the Council of Trent, with the intention of constraining rash speculation, has been wrongly interpreted by some, we renew that decree and declare its meaning to be as follows: that in matters of faith and morals, belonging as they do to the establishing of Christian doctrine, that meaning of Holy Scripture must be held to be the true one, which Holy mother Church held and holds, since it is her right to judge of the true meaning and interpretation of Holy Scripture.

9. In consequence, it is not permissible for anyone to interpret Holy Scripture in a sense contrary to this, or indeed against the unanimous consent of the fathers. (Vatican I, Dogmatic Constitution Dei Filius)

6. For the Holy Spirit was promised to the successors of Peter not so that they might, by his revelation, make known some new doctrine, but that, by his assistance, they might religiously guard and faithfully expound the revelation or deposit of faith transmitted by the apostles. (Vatican I, Dogmatic Constitution Pastor Aeternus)
10. Sacred tradition and Sacred Scripture form one sacred deposit of the word of God, committed to the Church. Holding fast to this deposit the entire holy people united with their shepherds remain always steadfast in the teaching of the Apostles, in the common life, in the breaking of the bread and in prayers (see Acts 2, 42, Greek text), so that holding to, practicing and professing the heritage of the faith, it becomes on the part of the bishops and faithful a single common effort. (7)

But the task of authentically interpreting the word of God, whether written or handed on, (8) has been entrusted exclusively to the living teaching office of the Church, (9) whose authority is exercised in the name of Jesus Christ. This teaching office is not above the word of God, but serves it, teaching only what has been handed on, listening to it devoutly, guarding it scrupulously and explaining it faithfully in accord with a divine commission and with the help of the Holy Spirit, it draws from this one deposit of faith everything which it presents for belief as divinely revealed. (Vatican II, Dogmatic Constitution Dei Verbum)

they also reject freemasonary whose doctrines are much the same as Catholicism and are many times Satanic.

Nonsense.

We pray and beseech you, venerable brethren, to join your efforts with Ours, and earnestly to strive for the extirpation of this foul plague, which is creeping through the veins of the body politic. [...] We wish it to be your rule first of all to tear away the mask from Freemasonry, and to let it be seen as it really is; and by sermons and pastoral letters to instruct the people as to the artifices used by societies of this kind in seducing men and enticing them into their ranks, and as to the depravity of their opinions and the wickedness of their acts. (Pope Leo XIII, Humanum Genus)
Wherefore We command most strictly and in virtue of holy obedience, all the faithful of whatever state, grade, condition, order, dignity or pre-eminence, whether clerical or lay, secular or regular, even those who are entitled to specific and individual mention, that none, under any pretext or for any reason, shall dare or presume to enter, propagate or support these aforesaid societies of Liberi Muratori or Francs Massons, or however else they are called, or to receive them in their houses or  dwellings or to hide them, be enrolled among them, joined to them, be present with them, give power or permission for them to meet elsewhere, to help them in any way, to give them in any way advice, encouragement or support either openly or in secret, directly or indirectly, on their own or through others; nor are they to urge others or tell them, incite or persuade them to be enrolled in such societies or to be counted among their number, or to be present or to assist them in any way; but they must stay completely clear of such Societies, Companies, Assemblies, Meetings, Congregations or Conventicles, under pain of excommunication for all the above mentioned people, which is incurred by the very deed without any declaration being required, and from which no one can obtain the benefit of absolution, other than at the hour of death, except through Ourselves or the Roman Pontiff of the time. (Pope Clement XII, In Eminenti)

20 posted on 05/15/2004 12:55:58 PM PDT by gbcdoj (in mundo pressuram habetis, sed confidite, ego vici mundum)
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To: gbcdoj
1. The same Holy mother Church holds and teaches that God, the source and end of all things, can be known with certainty from the consideration of created things, by the natural power of human reason : ever since the creation of the world, his invisible nature has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made. [13] 2. It was, however, pleasing to his wisdom and goodness to reveal himself and the eternal laws of his will to the human race by another, and that a supernatural, way. This is how the Apostle puts it : In many and various ways God spoke of old to our fathers by the prophets; but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son

Mother Church? Holy Mother? Your goddess may not be whom you believe; when the handmaid of the Lord, Mary looks down from heaven at the half truths and lies propagated by the Mother Church, I would think she weeps for all the false doctrines that emulate the one world doctrines of the devil and deceived the Catholic church into the apostasy it now dwells within. I would suggest you read the Holy Scriptures and put down your catechism and one world traditions before the Son of God, who was crucified for our sins and rose the third day so we could be justified by grace through faith(God's Word ) lest His anger falls on the apostate church. The catholics fell under condemnation when it perverted the gospel of Jesus Christ and added works at to His blood atoning work at the cross at the council of Trent. This brought in the dark ages and God of necessity sent reformers to clean up the garments of the filthy church, men like Luther and Huss and so many Christians who were killed by the apostate Catholic church. Jesus warned of false witness when He chastised the Pharisee's; 37. And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. 38. And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not. 39. Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. 41. I receive not honour from men. 42. But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. 43. I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. 44. How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only? Could it be that the apostates and pagans of the world will be deceived by the silver tongued devil man, who will speak in his own name, even the anti christ, a man sent to deceive the world because they would not receive the grace of God the Father provided by faith only in the blood of the crucified Jesus Christ(without works as His work is complete), who is God's only begotten son (born of a virgin)and God in the flesh(Jesus of Nazareth, the Word of God who became flesh and shed His sinless blood for all who will believe on Him only). Mary was not crucified for our sins nor did she rise the third day for our justification and she most certainly was not sinless and without sin, as catholisim teaches. Though she was a virgin whom God used to bring in the Son of God, she was also a sinner as all men are and have been since Adam fell and she needed the same salvation that the Lord God of hosts provides.The gospel of Luke teaches us she said; 46. And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, 47. And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.(Lu.1) The scriptures do not teach Mary is deity and therefore should not be prayed to or belived on for salvation; this heresy was brought in over the centuries and has devastated the catholic church. Please search the scriptures and put down the undoctrinal catachism.
30 posted on 05/17/2004 6:41:32 AM PDT by wgeorge2001 (... fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.)
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To: gbcdoj
"But the task of authentically interpreting the word of God, whether written or handed on, (8) has been entrusted exclusively to the living teaching office of the Church,.."

This is what can be said to be brilliantly written and yet is a lie. The scriptures are to be read and believed on and if one is indeed saved by grace through faith by Jesus Christ only, God opens the believer's mind to understand the scriptures and teaches him by the Holy Spirit and not by the church teachers.Teaching is a gift of God and their be few that are able to teach properly as has been shown throughout the centuries; many teachers are liars,fools, and biblically ignorant. There are good teachers and there are evil teachers and that depends of their motives and beliefs about the doctrine of the Holy Bible, which is authored by God the Holy Spirit who inspired holy men of old, even the prophets and apostles and most notably Paul the Apostle. Heresies have abounded since God in the person of Jesus Christ made Paul the apostle the "wise master builder of the Church, whose foundation can be none other than that which has already been laid, even Jesus Christ, the Lamb of our Most Holy Father, God Almighty.
40 posted on 05/18/2004 1:28:24 PM PDT by wgeorge2001 (... fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.)
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