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Another Part of the Great Facade Begins to Crumble
Christ or Chaos ^ | 14th May 2004 | Dr. Thomas Droleskey

Posted on 05/14/2004 9:53:57 PM PDT by AskStPhilomena

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To: wgeorge2001
Biblically based "scripture only Christians" not only reject ecumenical orders that set a man above the Word of God(like a pope), they also reject freemasonary whose doctrines are much the same as Catholicism and are many times Satanic.

Scripture only Christianity is un-Biblical.

41 posted on 05/18/2004 1:29:49 PM PDT by conservonator (Blank by popular demand)
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To: wgeorge2001

"The scriptures are to be read and believed on and if one is indeed saved by grace through faith by Jesus Christ only, God opens the believer's mind to understand the scriptures and teaches him by the Holy Spirit and not by the church teachers."

This is why there are 33,000 protestant denominations with wildly varying interpetations of Christianity - everyone gets to 'make it up' on their own.


42 posted on 05/18/2004 1:34:59 PM PDT by kjvail
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To: wgeorge2001
To pray to saints or to Mary and to bow down to manufactured idols is great heresy and it is high time for the Catholics to search the scriptures, overthrow the homosexual and ungodly priests who deny the infallible scriptures, cast down the idols in the church and pray to and worship God only in the name of Jesus Christ ONLY.

Why don't YOU search the Scriptures.

Call now, if there be any that will answer thee, and turn to some of the saints. (Job 5:1)
Now the vision was in this manner. Onias, who had been high priest, a good and virtuous man, modest in his looks, gentle in his manners, and graceful in speech, and who from a child was exercised in virtues holding up his hands, prayed for all the people of the Jews: After this there appeared also another man, admirable for age, and glory, and environed with great beauty and majesty: Then Onias answering, said: This is a lover of his brethren, and of the people of Israel: this is he that prayeth much for the people, and for all the holy city, Jeremias, the prophet of God. Whereupon Jeremias stretched forth his right hand, and gave to Judas a sword of gold, saying: Take this holy sword, a gift from God, wherewith thou shalt overthrow the adversaries of my people Israel. (2 Machabees 15:12-16)
Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid: for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. (St. Luke 1:48)
And when he had opened the book, the four living creatures and the four and twenty ancients fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. (Revelation to St. John 5:8)

The saints, having the vision of God, can hear our prayers for their intercession:

On the contrary, Gregory, commenting on Job 14:21, "Whether his children come to honor or dishonor, he shall not understand," says (Moral. xii): "This does not apply to the souls of the saints, for since they have an insight of Almighty God's glory we must nowise believe that anything outside that glory is unknown to them." Therefore they are cognizant of our prayers. Further, Gregory says (Dial. ii): "All creatures are little to the soul that sees God: because however little it sees of the Creator's light, every created thing appears foreshortened to it." Now apparently the chief obstacle to the souls of the saints being cognizant of our prayers and other happenings in our regard is that they are far removed from us. Since then distance does not prevent these things, as appears from the authority quoted, it would seem that the souls of the saints are cognizant of our prayers and of what happens here below.

Further, unless they were aware of what happens in our regard they would not pray for us, since they would be ignorant of our needs. But this is the error of Vigilantius, as Jerome asserts in his letter against him. Therefore the saints are cognizant of what happens in our regard.

I answer that, The Divine essence is a sufficient medium for knowing all things, and this is evident from the fact that God, by seeing His essence, sees all things. But it does not follow that whoever sees God's essence knows all things, but only those who comprehend the essence of God [Cf. I, 12, 7,8: even as the knowledge of a principle does not involve the knowledge of all that follows from that principle unless the whole virtue of the principle be comprehended. Wherefore, since the souls of the saints do not comprehend the Divine essence, it does not follow that they know all that can be known by the Divine essence--for which reason the lower angels are taught concerning certain matters by the higher angels, though they all see the essence of God; but each of the blessed must needs see in the Divine essence as many other things as the perfection of his happiness requires. For the perfection of a man's happiness requires him to have whatever he will, and to will nothing amiss: and each one wills with a right will, to know what concerns himself. Hence since no rectitude is lacking to the saints, they wish to know what concerns themselves, and consequently it follows that they know it in the Word. Now it pertains to their glory that they assist the needy for their salvation: for thus they become God's co-operators, "than which nothing is more Godlike," as Dionysius declares (Coel. Hier. iii). Wherefore it is evident that the saints are cognizant of such things as are required for this purpose; and so it is manifest that they know in the Word the vows, devotions, and prayers of those who have recourse to their assistance. (Summa Theologiae, Supplement q. 72 a. 1)


43 posted on 05/18/2004 1:59:08 PM PDT by gbcdoj (in mundo pressuram habetis, sed confidite, ego vici mundum)
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8. I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
9. And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
10. Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.


44 posted on 05/21/2004 6:29:11 AM PDT by wgeorge2001 (... fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.)
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To: Aquinasfan

**I also heard a news blurb on EWTN last night that said that the USCCB doesn't plan on making a public statement regarding nominally Catholic politicians receiving Communion until December or later.**

I didn't hear it, but it would appear either that they are frightened or just lazy and dragging their feet.


45 posted on 05/21/2004 6:40:17 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: wgeorge2001

29 And I dispose to you, as my Father hath disposed to me, a kingdom;
30 That you may eat and drink at my table, in my kingdom: and may sit upon thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
31 And the Lord said: Simon, Simon, behold Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat.
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and thou, being once converted, confirm thy brethren.

15 When therefore they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me more than these? He saith to him: Yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee. He saith to him: Feed my lambs.
16 He saith to him again: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? He saith to him: yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee. He saith to him: Feed my lambs.
17 He said to him the third time: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he had said to him the third time: Lovest thou me? And he said to him: Lord, thou knowest all things: thou knowest that I love thee. He said to him: Feed my sheep.


46 posted on 05/21/2004 1:45:02 PM PDT by gbcdoj (in mundo pressuram habetis, sed confidite, ego vici mundum)
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