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To: McClave
Me hat's off you ya, sir. Someone on Free Republic actually believes in free speech! Whatta ya know?

I, on the other hand, agree with Pope Pius IX:

From which totally false idea of social government they do not fear to foster that erroneous opinion, most fatal in its effects on the Catholic Church and the salvation of souls, called by Our Predecessor, Gregory XVI, an "insanity," viz., that "liberty of conscience and worship is each man's personal right, which ought to be legally proclaimed and asserted in every rightly constituted society; and that a right resides in the citizens to an absolute liberty, which should be restrained by no authority whether ecclesiastical or civil, whereby they may be able openly and publicly to manifest and declare any of their ideas whatever, either by word of mouth, by the press, or in any other way."

But, while they rashly affirm this, they do not think and consider that they are preaching "liberty of perdition;" and that "if human arguments are always allowed free room for discussion, there will never be wanting men who will dare to resist truth, and to trust in the flowing speech of human wisdom; whereas we know, from the very teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ, how carefully Christian faith and wisdom should avoid this most injurious babbling."

Quanta Cura "Condemning Certain Errors" 1864
25 posted on 05/14/2004 8:52:20 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: Maximilian
I, on the other hand, agree with Pope Pius IX:

Yes, yes, the Catholic Churuch condemns all free speech but yours. How simple. Thomas Aquinas would be surprised at the way you construe Pius IX!

Why not start a "Totalitarian Republic" website for yourSelf and call yourselves Grimreepers? It would suit your principles of (private) interpretation. You and AAA WORST (that other emblem of self-disclosure who wishes he were a private EYE!)

You pronounce this thread quite dead.

27 posted on 05/14/2004 9:26:28 PM PDT by McClave
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To: McClave; Maximilian
FR is a private forum, and hence there is no "free speech" here. On the other hand, Leo XIII's teaching on the matter deserves to be made known:
In regard, however, to all matter of opinion which God leaves to man's free discussion, full liberty of thought and of speech is naturally within the right of everyone; for such liberty never leads men to suppress the truth, but often to discover it and make it known. (Libertas)

McClave, your posts on this thread aren't really helping you advance your cause at all...

30 posted on 05/14/2004 9:53:31 PM PDT by gbcdoj (Et ecce ego vobiscum sum omnibus diebus usque ad consummationem saeculi)
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