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To: kstewskis; TotusTuus; Jeff Chandler; Barnacle; BlackElk; CAtholic Family Association; .45MAN; ...
Ping! . . A request for your opinion. See above post(s).

Has he done a self excommunication?
If so, if you can, please give cite(s) and any other info or opinion.
Thank you all in advance.

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8 posted on 05/10/2004 11:16:12 AM PDT by Phx_RC (God bless the good bishops, may God have mercy on the bad bishops.)
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To: Phx_RC; Tantumergo
The guy is pond-scum and should not be in the priesthood

That is the trouble with ripping people to shreds we don't even know personally. He might be a nice guy and if he leaves the kids alone, he's got more going for him than some of them.

Has he done a self excommunication?

Possibly. Not my call. I don't know where you draw the line on manifest heresy. I read de Chardin years ago and it didn't do much for me spiritually. Same with Jung. Some of his ideas have validity, but when you make a religion out of that dark stuff, that's not what my idea of Christianity is about. We were given sufficient "philosophy" in the gospels to give me all I need for my journey and then some. I don't get into the deeper stuff, which I find depressing frankly, unless and only unless it gives me some insight into my personal flaws to the point where I can ask God for forgiveness and the help I need to overcome them.

If so, if you can, please give cite(s) and any other info or opinion.

There are canons which I think someone has posted that cover this sort of thing.

I don't think what he did was all that terrible. Maybe the Anglican priest was a good Christian. Kind of nice to include him in the consecration and there wouldn't be one darn thing wrong with it if it weren't for rules, rules, rules. I personally get hung up over rules and don't think it is a good idea to rebel, but on the other end of the spectrum, when you are constantly tearing people apart for things that aren't all that terrible, what does that make me/us? If they do something that really hurts people, that is completely different. I don't see where anybody was hurt by what was done.

Much ado about nothing. Now if they gave Kerry communion at that mass, I might have more to say on the subject :-).

19 posted on 05/10/2004 2:31:29 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Phx_RC
I don't think this guy has done anything to warrant self-excommunication, but anyone who has a thing for Jung and writes like the above examples is worth warriness.
21 posted on 05/10/2004 3:38:01 PM PDT by Desdemona (Evil attacks good. Never forget.)
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To: Phx_RC
Has he done a self excommunication? If so, if you can, please give cite(s) and any other info or opinion.

theologically, holding Mass with a priest from another church is merely a major disciplinary action. I attended at least one mass where an Orthodox priest concelebrated with several Catholic priests at a mass.

However, there is a real question about Anglican/Episcopalian priests. Over a hundred years ago, after investigating it, the Vatican found many lapses in "bishop to bishop" consecrations, so said Anglian orders were not valid. However, since that time, many Anglican and Episcopal priests are ordained with Orthodox or schismatic Catholic (e.g. the Polish national catholic church) bishops co presiding with Anglican bishops-- something that only makes sense if the Anglicans themselves agreed that they may have lost the line of the sacrament. But as a result, most Anglican/Episcopal priests are now true priests.

So if this priest merely concelebrated a mass with another valid priest from another church without the church's permission, he is open to disciplinary correcction of the bishop

But if this "priest" was merely a clergyman without valid ordination as a priest in any church, it is a blasphemy, and he "excommunicated" himself.

25 posted on 05/11/2004 4:44:47 AM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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