Those Whom He Foreknew He Predestined

desiringGOD.org ^ | October 13, 1985 | John Piper

[Gamecock]

A ping to my Beloved Elect Brethren and Sisters, choosen by God before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love Eph 1:4

Thoughts from my favorite Baptist

[rdb3]

This breaks these verses down completely. Yet it still amazes me how some will insist that God's predestination is due to what He saw man doing. That logic fails miserably and is completely unscriptural.

Ladies and gents, I'm Chamelio Salamander. I will make this a most wonderful experience.

[kansas_goat_roper]

It is truly sad that your doctrine of predestination and limited grace comdems so many to hell (yours and mine) brothers and sisters, our children and our mothers and fathers. Without even the hope and love of John 3:16 that God so loved the world and Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
(KJV)

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[connectthedots]

Can you give it a rest, at least while drstevej's family is going through such turmoil? Frankly, I am getting sick and tired of all these argument that get nowhere and do nothing but divide the body of Christ. Furthermore, you seem to be the one who is more divisive than anyone else.

Your time might be better spent actually sharing the Gospel. The actual mechanism by which people are saved doesn't really make any difference. That one accept Christ as his/her personal Savior is all that matters.

I've met some pretty petty people in my life, and you are right up there.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Go to bed, CTD, and get some sleep. You're being rude and divisive.

I don't see anyone pinging you to this sermon, so I assume you stumbled on it all by yourself...or else you tag after Calvinists just to fight.

Post your own threads, or contribute something worthwhile. But knock off the invectives.

[HarleyD]

What's truly sad is that people don't recognized they are already doomed to Hell and that God in His mercy and grace rescued them. God is underappreciated for the work He does.

[alpha-8-25-02]

"LET US AROSE OURSELVES TO THE STERNEST FIDELITY,LABORING TO WIN SOULS AS MUCH AS IF IT ALL DEPENDED WHOLLY UPON OURSELVES,WHILE WE FALL BACK IN FAITH,UPON THE GLORIOUS FACT EVERY THING RESTS WITH THE ETERNAL GOD"
C.H.SPURGEON
p.s.i thought i was your favorite baptist:)

[RnMomof7]

It is truly sad that your doctrine of predestination and limited grace comdems so many to hell (yours and mine) brothers and sisters, our children and our mothers and fathers. Without even the hope and love of John 3:16 that God so loved the world and Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. (KJV)

The question is who is the whosoever? We believe that the whoever are those that God drew by His grace

The Calvinist in no way limits Gods grace, we strengthen it to be as effective and powerful as He himself is .

Now here is a question for you

If the meaning of the Romans text is that God predestined those He knew would choose Him then does it mean He predestined those to hell he knew would not choose Him by creating them?

Did God make men specifically for hell?

[RnMomof7]

Can you give it a rest, at least while drstevej's family is going through such turmoil? Frankly, I am getting sick and tired of all these argument that get nowhere and do nothing but divide the body of Christ. Furthermore, you seem to be the one who is more divisive than anyone else.

I believe both Steve and His mother would want the gospel taught. Every second of every day is Gods, some one is being born and dying every day. If we wait for a "good time" it would be never .

No one is forcing you to read Games posts if you are sick of them . You could just "pass over" them.

[ksen]

It is truly sad that your doctrine of predestination and limited grace comdems so many to hell (yours and mine) brothers and sisters, our children and our mothers and fathers.

No, it is their sin that condemns them to Hell.

Without even the hope and love of John 3:16 that God so loved the world and Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. (KJV)

The Calvinist affirms that whosoever will can be saved. All those who come to Christ will be saved, and those who don't won't.

Does God, because He bestows His Grace on some, owe everyone the same Grace? Or is God free to bestow His Grace the best way He sees fit?

[ksen]

Did God make men specifically for hell?

Very good question.

[Gamecock]

It is truly sad that you attempt to rob God of his sovereignty by denying the totality of scripture.

[Gamecock]

So, I should stop posting Biblical truths because one of the Saints (Steve's mom) is about to enter Glory.

Are we not to preach and teach scriptural truths at all times?

Since when are you worried about Steve? You constantly troll threads where God fearing Calvinists gather to discuss scriptural truths and accuse us of being divisive, give me a break.

WWSD?

[Gamecock]

OK, OK, he is my favorite Baptist preacher...... ;-)

[Gamecock]

Think what you want. I think Spurgeon said it best when he said:

"The old truth that Calvin preached, that Augustine preached, that Paul preached, is the truth that I must preach to-day, or else be false to my conscience and my God. I cannot shape the truth; I know of no such thing as paring off the rough edges of a doctrine. John Knox's gospel is my gospel. That which thundered through Scotland must thunder through England again."—C. H. Spurgeon

[alpha-8-25-02]

to answer the preceeding questions go to romans 9.
just a hint

[sr4402]

What's truly sad is that people don't recognized they are already doomed to Hell ...

This is correct. Liberal theologians dismiss Adam and Eve's sale of humanity to the devil and ignore the catastrophic plunge into sin this caused to the human race. They ignore the fact that God was entirely just in wiping all mankind (save Noah and his family) off the face of the earth during the flood. In just over a thousand years, mankind had fallen to the point where 'the thoughts and intentions of man's heart was only evil continuously'.

They ignore that time and time again, that human depravity has poked its ugly head up again and again. Pharaoh's destruction of the first born, Haman's plans to exterminate the Jews, Herod's following Pharaoh's footsteps in Ramah. In the last century alone, Hitlers Holocaust, Stalin's purge, and Saddam's gassing of the Kurds.

Mankind has continually sunk down to the lowest levels God has allowed and it is no different today.

Our society continually tries to delude itself that it is different and that we don't need the law and to protect ourselves. We continually think that we don't need to follow God's Word and it is OK to flirt with abortion, illicit sex and homsxulty and that there will be no consequences.

Why God did not give up on mankind, back in the Garden, is still amazing to me. We did not deserve the promise of a Savior "You shall bruise his heel, but He shall crush your head". We did not deserve that the Lord Jesus Christ took the bruising for those the likes of such as you and I. We don't deserve the assurance of Salvation and an Eternal love relationship with God in heaven.

But God, May His Name be praised forever, decided not to leave many of us in to our own destinies and has reached through the mire of sin, cleansed us in Christ and drawn us to His infinite Love.

[kansas_goat_roper]

I would rather go to the source and repeat what Jesus said
Matt 11:28
28 Come unto me, ALL ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

[sr4402]

It is truly sad that your doctrine of predestination and limited grace comdems so many to hell (yours and mine) brothers and sisters, our children and our mothers and fathers. Without even the hope and love of John 3:16 that God so loved the world and Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

The problem with these words above is that they conflict with the Lord Jesus Christ:

NASB: "You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bare much fruit and that your fruit should remain and that whatever you ask of the Father, he may give to you."

Jesus did the Choosing, not you and me.

And "No one comes to me unless the Father draws him"

And "No one seeks after God, no not one"

No one is going to be able to say "I deserve to go to Heaven because I chose the Lord". The truth is far deeper and God is far better than is implied here.

Take in the Words which Jesus said, and let the Holy Spirit do the teaching. The doctrine that we choose God is not from God.