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Pius XII sided with the Communists, failed to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, schmoozed with notorius freemasons such as Bugnini and Roosevelt and silenced Fr. Coughlin. From all of the outward signs, he is not worthy of sainthood.
36 posted on 05/05/2004 7:21:21 AM PDT by Grey Ghost II
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To: Grey Ghost II
I've always suspected that traditionalists who idolize Pius XII must be overlooking something, since if he was so great how could everything fall apart 5-10 years later? Your post would tend to confirm this, although I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "sided with the Communists." One thing I'll say for him: he did lift the foolish condemnation of the French monarchist group Action Française which Pius XI had imposed.

Who in your opinion was the last truly admirable Pope? St. Pius X?

37 posted on 05/05/2004 7:41:17 AM PDT by royalcello
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To: Grey Ghost II
Pius XII sided with the Communists

This is a big accusation. What evidence do you have for it?

failed to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary

True. But this would be a faulty judgement at worst. No pope is required to follow the dictates of private revelations.

schmoozed with notorius freemasons such as Bugnini and Roosevelt

What is "schmoozed with" supposed to mean? I have never heard of a personal meeting between Pius and Roosevelt, nor even much correspondence. Bugnini is a different matter entirely, how can you put him in the same sentence with Roosevelt? Employing Bugnini was certainly a mistake. But Pius' encyclical "Mediator Dei" indicates that he did not in any way support Bugnini's agenda. Nor was Bugnini's work in the 1950's in any way comparable to his later work on the New Mass.

silenced Fr. Coughlin

Wasn't this the US bishops? What evidence do you have that Pope Pius XII, or even the Vatican at all, were involved. Here is one history of Fr. Coughlin:

1942, the FBI had found a way to get Coughlin off the radio waves withoout violation of his First Amendment right to free speech. A federal grand jury indictment was made against Father Coughlin and his organizations for violation of the Espionage Act. At this time Coughlin's primary means of funding was through mail solicitation, however he and his organizations were stripped of their second-class mailing privileges and the Bishop ordered Coughlin to cease broadcasting. Coughlin quietly returned to his parish where he served as a pastor until 1966.
And here is another:
Detroit Bishop Michael Gallagher refused to discipline Fr. Coughlin, saying: "Until a lawful superior rules otherwise, I stand steadfastly behind this priest." Archbishop Edward Mooney, newly arrived as Detroit's first archbishop in 1937, was that superior. Fr. Coughlin was maneuvered out of the limelight and eventually silenced. Fr. Coughlin continued to serve as pastor of the Shrine of the LIttle Flower until his retirement in 1966. He died in 1979 at the age of 88.

40 posted on 05/05/2004 8:06:05 AM PDT by Maximilian
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To: Grey Ghost II
Pius XII sided with the Communists, failed to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, schmoozed with notorius freemasons such as Bugnini and Roosevelt and silenced Fr. Coughlin. From all of the outward signs, he is not worthy of sainthood.

All very valid points with which I agree, especially the point about Bugnini, whom Pius XII installed to reinvent the Liturgy (not John XXIII).

50 posted on 05/05/2004 11:37:18 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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