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To: MNLDS
I agree on some points, being an evangelical christian. But there are a few false presumptions that need to be clear up.

1.The spiritual side of the human being, Christian and non-Christains alike develops in to reality which it becomes, for good or ill. Everyone receives spiritual formation ..

First in the garden of eden when Adam and Eve ate of the forbidden fruit. God said: that in that day you shall SURELY DIE. Man died a spiritual death that day just as real as the physical death they suffered later. Man without Christ is spiritual dead. We are(spiritual) dead in our sins and trespasses. Only in Christ can the true worshiper, worship God in Spirit and in Truth. Jesus said so. Has for the term spiritual formation that can be alittle misleading. We are to conform to the mind of Christ Phil 2:5, Rom 11:34 Our spiritual formation as you call it has to do with maturing in Christ.

2. Psychological and Theological understanding of the spiritual life must go hand in hand.

This is a dangerous statement. Psychology has it roots in Evolution in more ways than even I can explain. It sound as if the evolution people have taken a few verse from the bible to put spiritual growth in to their context of evolution for mankind. Adding a spiritual element to man constant evolution from apes, into humans, into some thing that mankind is not. The fact that spiritual formation applies to everyone as stated above #1, prove my point.
Psychology is modern day witch craft. Mixing this with christianity allows the devil to hide his lies in the Word. Like mixing poison with a drink.

3. The reality of Christ spiritual formation are that we will not be transformed into his likeness.............

This is another dangerous and misleading statement. Romans 12:2 ...but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is good and exceptable, and perfect, will of God.

In conclusion I would have to say that the speaker is under the influence of other doctrines outside of the Word of God, mainly Psychology, which many minister have fallen prey to. Because of the college requirement for ministry in many protestant churches are just wrong.
2 posted on 04/23/2004 6:40:23 PM PDT by Warlord David
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To: Warlord David
1. Are Christians the only one who can feel the influence of the Holy Spirit? Are Christians the only ones who can learn and understand Truth, even a portion of it?

2. There's nothing wrong with Psychology that Christianity can't fix. Professor Willard is merely stating that it is helpful to understand the imperfect workings of the biological brain so that we can better help God's children to learn by the Spirit.

3. I think you need to more fully read Professor Willard's statement in context.

In short, in this article Willard is stating that we must learn to become like Christ, to transform our thoughts and actions so that they conform to His. That is the MAIN point of the article. Would you care to comment on the MAIN point?
5 posted on 04/23/2004 11:29:37 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Is Arlen Specter a conservative Republican? Umm... "Not proven.")
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