Posted on 04/21/2004 9:40:18 PM PDT by restornu
Does God hang onto His receipts?
And all this time you thought it was Royal Crown Cola ... it's really part of our insidious, Jesuitical Plot to Take Over the World!!!!
MUUWAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahaha!!!!
I personally was never part of the LDS church. One of my aunts and her family are LDS. Her Mom, my grandmother, was a jack Mormon. My great-grandparents and their parents were LDS, originally immigrants who moved to Utah & So. Idaho in the 19th century. I have a wealth of LDS writings from that time period on.
I have a distant relative who wrote a novel of what it was like to live as a plural wife; she was socially disenfranchised from the LDS church after publishing it.
I have another friend who was @ BYU in the 80s and wound up flunking out of school because the BYU Health Center did not properly diagnose his broken arm. I attended an LDS baptism in the 1980s in North Hollywood, where I saw a woman be baptized 3x because the LDS authorities deemed that the first two did not "take" (the first dunking in the tank was not done w/her birth name, but rather a nickname, so they had to redo it; the second dunking didn't take because she wasn't fully underwater...that was due to the fact that they started to let the water out after the initial dunking...she was a heavyset woman whose knees buckled when she tried to get fully under; the third dunking was worse than the second...but the authorities present showed mercy, after all, in letting it slide--the only act of mercy in an otherwise legalistic treatment of what was spiritually intended to be pure grace).
If I'm not mistaken, I have a text copy of it somewhere myself. I've definitely read McConkie making similar remarks in other settings.
Like using a joke that denigrates Protestant Christian women to begin an exhortation about Mormon obedience, I don't find McConkie's remarks to be tactful, friendly or even civil towards Protestant Christianity.
Jesuit Midget Assassins.
You better believe He does. He embraces His Son, who said in Aramaic on the cross, "It is finished"--the same language used in His day to communicate, "It [the debt] is paid in full." Paul told the Corinthians, "You have been bought with a price." The very literal meaning of the word, "redemption" or "redeem" means "to buy back."
When the resurrected Jesus appeared to doubting Thomas, He still had His wounded hands. I believe the "receipt" Christ keeps for eternity is the scars of those wounds: He paid for our sins by receiving them--by becoming sin (2 Cor 5)...Peter added that became a curse for us.
Jesus suffered more than what The Passion showed. That showed His physical anguish, and, to some degree, His spiritual and mental anguish. But it did not and could not depict what it was like to be separated from the Father for the first time in eternity (to become accursed); to receive the full wrath of the Father for every sin we've ever committed (all of humanity); to literally be sin.
Really, REALLY good points, Colorfornian! Thanks for posting this!
Let's modify that statement a bit, shall we?
Does the Lutheran have any repentance, baptism, commandments to obey after God's forgiveness has been received, as a remaining precondition of entering Heaven?
And for argument's sake, to insure we're comparing apples to apples, let's say we're talking about entrance into what the LDS call Celestial Heaven, i.e. where the believer enjoys direct, unrestricted fellowship with all members of the Godhead, not just one or two.
I would prefer to compare apples to apples. The "walk" I walk isn't the same one as you walk. The rules aren't the same for our respective religions, nor are the rewards. If it's really necessary to compare notches on our belts, we should strive to understand what the notches represent, don't we? Anything else and we only sow confusion between ourselves and others. Is that what you seek to do?
I've already stated earlier that I thought the message given was a good one. At the same time, I have been critical of those who would demean and denigrate one belief system in order to advance another. It seems that, in these repeated challenges made to Colofornian, and now myself, you are just trying to be contentious and stir up strife, rather than accept the message for what it offers with peace and gentleness. If you want a fight, take it elsewhere.
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