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Living What We Profess
Editorial on LDSPro.com ^ | 2004 | Rodger Dean Duncan

Posted on 04/21/2004 9:40:18 PM PDT by restornu

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To: Colofornian
Sorry but my tagline is not a scripture! It is just a pleasant tagline!

And I had to cut it short for it would not all fit!

When man begins to understand, he will learn to love, when his love is understood, there will be peace."
Anonymous

61 posted on 04/22/2004 2:48:25 PM PDT by restornu (When man begins to understand, he will learn to love, when his love is understood, there is peace)
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To: RnMomof7
Sorry this is not a thread about Trinity it is about "Living What We Profess" and how we treat one another!

62 posted on 04/22/2004 2:52:04 PM PDT by restornu (When man begins to understand, he will learn to love, when his love is understood, there is peace)
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To: White Mountain
I was talking about your sensitivity. I couldn't care less about RMs.
63 posted on 04/22/2004 2:52:30 PM PDT by Wrigley
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To: RnMomof7
There so many threads that address your interest and adhere to your views!

This thread is Living "What We Profess" to exchange with thoes who want to share how they live by what they profess!

Have a cordial day!
64 posted on 04/22/2004 2:57:32 PM PDT by restornu (When man begins to understand, he will learn to love, when his love is understood, there is peace)
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To: restornu
Sorry this is not a thread about Trinity it is about "Living What We Profess" and how we treat one another!

That was a response to a post by another freeper.

65 posted on 04/22/2004 2:58:58 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: restornu
I think the key word here is profess my friend .

Hope all is well with you. :>)
66 posted on 04/22/2004 3:00:40 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Wrigley
You are welcome to discuss how you cordially treat others!
67 posted on 04/22/2004 3:00:45 PM PDT by restornu (When man begins to understand, he will learn to love, when his love is understood, there is peace)
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To: sociotard
On the subject of the whole nicene creed thing . . . I'm not convinced it's doctrinal.

Define "doctrinal".

The guys who wrote it were the bishops of the different churches, were they not? No apostles left among them?

Each item is simply a restatement of Scripture.

I believe that there are three beings, united in purpous and equal in love and understanding (they are all infinite), but they are nonetheless individuals.

"Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord."

68 posted on 04/22/2004 3:01:40 PM PDT by A.J.Armitage (http://calvinist-libertarians.blogspot.com/)
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To: RnMomof7
Please if you would like to talk about Trinity start a thread on Trinity!
69 posted on 04/22/2004 3:01:59 PM PDT by restornu (When man begins to understand, he will learn to love, when his love is understood, there is peace)
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To: RnMomof7
I feel the same way friend hope all is well! I now you do nice things R7 for your neighbors!:)
70 posted on 04/22/2004 3:03:49 PM PDT by restornu (When man begins to understand, he will learn to love, when his love is understood, there is peace)
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To: restornu
Mr. Duncan wrote: ...that by our own free will we should be anxiously engaged in good causes.

Indeed. So how about this...living responsibly in the public square? Kudos to California LDS folks who were, of their own free will, involved in the good cause of passing the proposition a few years back that defined marriage as between one man and one woman. The LDS Church in CA then was a key ally in getting that passed.

Unfortunately, as someone who has been involved in the pro-life movement, I have seen much less involvement in this arena by Mormons--both at the church authority level and at the grass roots level.

You would think that the only church body on the planet that has the doctrine that there are baby spirits up there having been hatched by MomGod and they are simply awaiting bodies down here to inhabit would be leading the line of pro-life activists. Sadly that is not the case.

Lds folks are generally pro-family and pro-life; but like too many other church bodies, it often is "paper tiger" status beyond their immediate families. Worse, and I've seen the LDS-sanctioned book published for its bishops (someone placed it online)...bishops are given the "okay" by Salt Lake City to allow for LDS members to have abortions for reasons of "health" without even bothering to define what "health" is.

And, that, my friends, is notliving responsibly amidst the overseers of any church body...(not that the Christian denominations can easily point fingers given that the insurance policies for the Presbyterian Church-USA and Evangelical Lutheran Church-ELCA both pay for abortions in targeting offspring of churchworkers!).

71 posted on 04/22/2004 3:47:44 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: restornu
I think that if we follow Jesus teaching we treat each other as we would like to be treated.

And particularly on an internet forum like this, we should treat each other with courtesy and respect - as we would wish to be treated.

This doesn't mean we cannot disagree, but we can disagree without being disagreeable - if you get the difference.

Charity, humility and patience. Sometimes I think God created internet forums to teach us patience - or at least give us the opportunity to learn it.

One last thing. I was taught that if I am angry at someone, there is something in me that I need to look at. Quite often I find the same thing in me that I am angry at in another.

Also known as the "you spot it, you got it" effect.

thanks for your posts and the thread...
72 posted on 04/22/2004 4:09:58 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: D-fendr
Thank you, you said it so well D-fendr!
73 posted on 04/22/2004 5:00:03 PM PDT by restornu (When man begins to understand, he will learn to love, when his love is understood, there is peace)
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To: restornu
Really. Have you ever been a guest at my house?
74 posted on 04/22/2004 5:31:13 PM PDT by Wrigley
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To: restornu
I suppose that we should stop posting irrelevant pics on thread. I mean really, a cat on a religion thread?
75 posted on 04/22/2004 5:46:27 PM PDT by Gamecock
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To: drstevej
That could upset Catholics.
76 posted on 04/22/2004 6:00:14 PM PDT by Wrigley
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To: restornu
Rodger Dean Duncan, a descendant of 19th century Protestant evangelists, was baptized into The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints at the age of 18.

I would say those whose heritage has evolved from 19th century Protestant evangelists have been given a faith to responsibly pass down to the next generation--what some call the biological commission. That would be living out what we profess generation unto generation.

Someone once said that children are missionaries we send to a time we will never see. For Mr. Duncan, a break occurred somewhere in that heritage. [Someone could say the same thing in reverse about me re: a heritage-break: My triple-great grandfather was a polygamous bishop in the LDS church]; Mr. Duncan openly concedes he is now not living what his ancestors professed. The Bible says "you shall know them by their fruits" and one fruit we can evaluate in others' lives is: Do we responsibly honor the faith of the saints of the 18th century, the 17th century, the 16th century, and on and on previously, before us? And so the question arises: How do latter-day Saints, who typically fail to honor most saints who lived between the third and 18th centuries, live out what they profess to believe in Jude 3? How can they broad brush so many previous generations as outright heretical apostates when the Bible clearly says it was a "once and for all" delivery unto a church who would prevail vs. the gates of hell?

Some of the shortest books of the Bible can teach us some of the greatest lessons for living out what we profess. Jude 3 is a primary example:

"...I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for allentrusted to the saints."

Notice that Jude says the faith was delivered once for all, not once for a while upon earth, only to be totally lost and need to be restored. Latter-day saints say they honor and revere the King James version of Jude 3. How do they live out what they profess to believe here? Do they take scissors to the "once for all" by simply ignoring it? I'm truly interested in knowing a response.

He then goes on in Jude 4 to talk about "certain men" have "secretly slipped in among you" who deny Jesus as "our only Sovereign and Lord." Some people treat modern-day prophets as pseudo-sovereigns; some people treat modern-day revelations as pseudo-sovereigns; some people treat modern-day church authorities as pseudo-sovereigns; and some people fail to acknowledge the sovereignty of our Lord Jesus Christ by not praying to Him as the Nephites allegedly did; by not recognizing Him as Creator as John (1:3), Paul (Col. 1:16), and the writer of Hebrews (1:2-3) did; and by not believing Him when He said "wide is the road that leads to destruction; narrow is the way that leads to life" (Matt. 7:13)

Being disagreeable

Some folks wonder what the purpose is even for books like 3 John in the Bible. For one thing, John names names: saying both positive things about Demetrius (12) and negative things about Diotrephes (9)...I guess John wouldn't pass muster from some posters for he openly said negative things about Diotrephes.

77 posted on 04/22/2004 6:07:04 PM PDT by Colofornian (Can you imagine? Some folks believe that just 'bout all folks are headin' to some degree of heaven!)
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To: Colofornian
Since this thread is about "Living What We Profess" as a Lutheran maybe you like to share your way!
78 posted on 04/22/2004 6:18:05 PM PDT by restornu (When man begins to understand, he will learn to love, when his love is understood, there is peace)
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To: Grig
Well, I probably should have continued on with 'living the way Christ taught us to live, press on with steadfast faith in Christ, and enduring to the end.' :)
79 posted on 04/22/2004 6:24:52 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Alex Murphy
'Families are Forever' is one I've seen. I'm not into bumper stickers, so...
80 posted on 04/22/2004 6:28:49 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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