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To: A.J.Armitage
> I don't claim to know if the Shroud is authentic or not.

Huh. Then why the disparagement about "you have no answer?"

> In other words, presenting your position as "I don't
know" is a lie.

Incorrect. I do not know how the shroud was manufactured or exactly when... but I do know that the superstitious/magical hypothesis is by far the least likely. As I've pointed out before, just because something is mysterious doesn;t mean it's a miracle.

> you presumptuous liar

Blah, blah, blah.

> You will never believe in it no matter what is discovered
about it, and you know it.

You go right on telling yourself that.

> you lie, you use hysterical ad hominems, you have a jerking knee against anything Christian

Amazing. Simply stunning. The sheer PRIDE of some Christians, who believe that any debate about artifacts is an attack on their religion! I guess they really do not have much faith.

> you've been posting for fewer months than I have years.

Well, then I guess that makes you King of Free Republic, doesn't it?
110 posted on 04/18/2004 6:23:49 PM PDT by orionblamblam
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To: orionblamblam
Huh. Then why the disparagement about "you have no answer?"

Because my point was unanswerable. You proved that by retreating to insults. (You started the insults, remember.)

Incorrect.

Ooooh, a known liar says I'm "incorrect". And then you admit (in almost so many words), that I got it exactly correct.

I do not know how the shroud was manufactured or exactly when... but I do know that the superstitious/magical hypothesis is by far the least likely.

Aliens testing your faith in atheism is a hypothesis. And you just said it's more likely. Just like I said.

"By far the least likely" is a dissembling way of dogmatically restating your transcendent non-evidenciary gnosis that it's a fraud. You will never -- never, never -- accept it. In the "worst" case scenario you would posit that the Vatican replaced the original Shroud with an uber-clever fake designed to fool every possible test. Wouldn't you? Or maybe just some other conspiracy theory. After all, anything is more likely than a miracle.

Amazing. Simply stunning. The sheer PRIDE of some Christians, who believe that any debate about artifacts is an attack on their religion!

As I've already pointed out, I'm not sure it's authentic.

You're not debating, nor can you. You lack the prerequisite of debate, because you judge evidence by the conclusion you desire, not the other way around. So don't flatter yourself. Take your worst stereotypes about a "fundy". Add atheism. The result can be seen in the mirror.

In fact, my willingness to debate is itself the "pride" of which you complain. You guys invariably get indignant when we don't immediately submit ourselves into permanent tutelage to you to be cured of our "superstition".

Well, then I guess that makes you King of Free Republic, doesn't it?

Oh, I'm sorry. It's "PRIDE" not to roll over for the January wonder when he takes charge of things.

111 posted on 04/18/2004 7:45:54 PM PDT by A.J.Armitage (http://calvinist-libertarians.blogspot.com/)
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