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Foot-washing edict divides local Catholics [Atlanta]
Atlanta Journal-Constittion ^ | 4/2/04 | VIRGINIA ANDERSON

Posted on 04/03/2004 4:33:16 AM PST by madprof98

As Roman Catholics worldwide move into a week to focus their hearts on the suffering of Christ, Atlanta Catholics are being divided over the ancient ritual of the washing of feet.

On March 19, Archbishop John Donoghue sent a letter to parish priests telling them that only men should be chosen for the solemn rite of foot washing, which takes place on Holy Thursday as parishes observe the Last Supper of Jesus. Women and children have been included in the rite for years, but Donoghue's letter specifically states that 12 men should be selected to represent the priesthood.

Priests, parishioners and theologians said they were puzzled and angry over the decision to exclude women and children.

The Rev. John Kieran, pastor of St. Pius X Catholic Church in Conyers, said he will cancel foot washing on Thursday. "I just respectfully disagree with him," Kieran said.

Many priests were reluctant to talk about the archbishop's letter, because they are bound by a vow of obedience to follow his orders. That vow generally prohibits their openly criticizing the archbishop. Many said privately, however, that they were saddened by the decision and were questioning whether to abandon the ritual or ignore Donoghue's order.

Some Catholic laypeople Friday were less guarded.

"It's like they're just trying to come up with something else that women can't do," said Danny Ingram, a parishioner at the Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in Atlanta. "The whole thing is about service to one another, and it's not just about service to men."

Donoghue's letter comes at a time when the Roman Catholic Church is still recovering from a clergy sex abuse scandal and the secretive way it handled the complaints. Many leaders have called for the church to be more open in an effort to promote healing.

"If he's trying to respond to the crisis, he's going about it in the wrong way," said Sally Vance-Trembath, a theology professor at the University of San Francisco, a Jesuit university. "If reflects the pattern of responses to the crisis, a sort of batten-down-the hatches mentality, when what people need is to open them up."

Most allow women in rite

A spokeswoman for the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops said Donoghue is within his rights to limit the ritual to men. The decision is left up to individual bishops, although the overwhelming majority of American bishops allow women's feet to be washed.

"In many areas, the custom is to wash the feet of both men and women, " said Sister Mary Ann Walsh. "I've been in parishes where they even wash hands."

Donoghue was in Rome and unavailable for comment, and several calls to the Atlanta Archdiocese were not returned.

"He's just following what the Catholic Church teaches," said Andrew Sysco, who attends All Saints Church in Dunwoody. "He's just doing what he's supposed to be doing."

In some parishes, pastors have involved the entire congregation in the foot-washing ritual to stress humility and service. By the end of the Mass, hundreds of worshippers have washed feet and had their own feet washed.

In his letter, which was not sent to parishioners or published in the official archiocesan newspaper, Donoghue wrote that the washing of feet should be explained to the faithful as the representation of "Christ's linkage of the institution of the Eucharist to the establishment of the ordained priesthood." He wrote that "twelve men" should be chosen to take the part of Jesus' Apostles during the rite.

Fifteen years ago, Donoghue provoked a protest in Charlotte when he barred women from foot washing while he was bishop there.

"I'm sorry he's done that," said Gerald Noonan of Atlanta, a former priest who founded the Center for Ethics at the Georgia Tech business school. "Women have been second-class citizens for so long."

Said Kathleen Pruitt of Bremen, who attends several different Catholic churches: "A shepherd who cares only for the rams won't have a flock for very long."


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The Atlanta Journal-Constitution featured this on page 1 of the local news section and is clearly taking great delight in it. This is the first news I'd heard of it, and I expect it will cause quite a stir in our parish (where, for years, everyone has taken part in the ceremony on Holy Thursday). I was curious what others would think about it.
1 posted on 04/03/2004 4:33:17 AM PST by madprof98
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2 posted on 04/03/2004 4:45:02 AM PST by Support Free Republic (Don't be a nuancy boy)
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Priests, parishioners and theologians said they were puzzled and angry over the decision to exclude women and children.

Wow.  Talk about ignorance.. how on earth cold they be puzzled or angry over what Jesus Christ himself did?!

God Bless Archbishop John Donoghue.
3 posted on 04/03/2004 4:57:38 AM PST by GirlShortstop
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The Rev. John Kieran, pastor of St. Pius X Catholic Church in Conyers, said he will cancel foot washing on Thursday. "I just respectfully disagree with him," Kieran said.

The Feminization of the AmChurch has taken hold. Ordained priests (in 'union' with Rome) refuse the orders of their Bishop and instead embrace feminism. St Pius X must be soooo proud of Fr. John. /sarcasm off/

4 posted on 04/03/2004 5:16:14 AM PST by narses (If you want OFF or ON my Catholic Ping list, please email me. +)
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To: madprof98
Is this more of the people taking "The DiVinci Code" as fact?

According to the Bible, Christ washed the feet of twelve men. Men! Not women or children, men. Oh geez, I can't take it.
5 posted on 04/03/2004 5:24:58 AM PST by netmilsmom (Busybody of Free Republic)
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To: GirlShortstop; GatorGirl; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; ...
Wow. Talk about ignorance..

You just defined the capitol issue, IGNORANCE. The seminaries too often are "Pink Palaces" where hedonism reins supreme and Latin, History and the Catechism are seen as 'passe'. Having 'graduated' ignorant, been ordained in that same sad state, they cannot educate their flocks very well, and they do not.

.. how on earth cold they be puzzled or angry over what Jesus Christ himself did?!

Ignorance!

6 posted on 04/03/2004 6:00:22 AM PST by narses (If you want OFF or ON my Catholic Ping list, please email me. +)
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To: GirlShortstop
The Professionally Offended Class speaks up!!!
7 posted on 04/03/2004 6:03:48 AM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: madprof98; american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; Polycarp IV; narses; ...
I was curious what others would think about it.

It is as it was.

8 posted on 04/03/2004 6:03:58 AM PST by NYer (The Maronite, works, builds, and plants as if he is celebrating the liturgy. - Father Michel HAYEK)
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He's doing his job. Good for him.
9 posted on 04/03/2004 6:14:34 AM PST by Desdemona (Proverbs 18:2 A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.)
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I am at St. Bendan's in Cumming, GA and I'm sure that our priest will ignore the Bishop. As a woman, however, I am not offended at all. Those are the rules as they stand coming out of Rome. It is not a cafeteria where we pick and choose. I don't even like seeing the girl alter servers...even though I have daughters.

I feel like I knew the rules when I embraced Catholicism as an adult by choosing to raise my children this way. If I didn't like the rules, I was, and am, free to find a place that fits me better. I am irritated when people say they think we should "loosen/open up". What about the people in the pews that are okay with the rules??? Are we to change because someone doesn't like what we have accepted?
10 posted on 04/03/2004 6:23:04 AM PST by hilaryrhymeswithrich (Herman Cain for the U.S. Senate.....this Georgia man is in YOUR future!)
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I am irritated when people say they think we should "loosen/open up". What about the people in the pews that are okay with the rules??? Are we to change because someone doesn't like what we have accepted?

hilaryrhymeswithrich, the "loosen up" crowd really doesn't have any LOGIC behind what they cry, do they?  Their bellyaching is unreasonable in at least two ways:  disobedience (ain't gonna cut it!), and the "track record" to support an approach like theirs would not point to one of "loosening up" having been significantly successful.  Of course, if "success" is measured in non-Catholic terms, well, then, maybe...  I'll definitely leave that to someone else.  :-)
11 posted on 04/03/2004 6:55:16 AM PST by GirlShortstop
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You hit that one right out of the ballpark!
12 posted on 04/03/2004 6:57:06 AM PST by hilaryrhymeswithrich (Herman Cain for the U.S. Senate.....this Georgia man is in YOUR future!)
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You hit that one right out of the ballpark!

LOL... I pretty much fit the name "short"stop, so I make due with inside the park-ers  :-)   Thank you!
13 posted on 04/03/2004 6:59:33 AM PST by GirlShortstop
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To: madprof98
I do not take particular aversion to this directive from the Bishop. AS a woman, I suppose I should be offended. Actually, the entire scene could be reproduced as it was at the Last Supper with the priest washing the feet of 12 men, and then each man, in turn, doing what the Master told them to do - become servants - by washing the feet of 3 or 4 parishioners who could be men, women and children. I think that would be a very could depiction of the event and the outcome of the servanthood of Jesus's disciples. I don't know why this thought came to me as I have never thought about it before. But all in all, I think it would be a logical step in including everyone in the process without changing the actual depiction of the original event.
14 posted on 04/03/2004 7:15:11 AM PST by Gumdrop
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I do not take particular aversion to this directive from the Bishop. AS a woman, I suppose I should be offended. Actually, the entire scene could be reproduced as it was at the Last Supper with the priest washing the feet of 12 men, and then each man, in turn, doing what the Master told them to do - become servants - by washing the feet of 3 or 4 parishioners who could be men, women and children. I think that would be a very good depiction of the event and the outcome of the servanthood of Jesus's disciples. I don't know why this thought came to me as I have never thought about it before. But all in all, I think it would be a logical step in including everyone in the process without changing the actual depiction of the original event.
15 posted on 04/03/2004 7:16:25 AM PST by Gumdrop
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Are we to change because someone doesn't like what we have accepted?

These people have the "pair" to suggest such a thing, and expect that we change contrary to what is taught and accepted. Amazing, isn't it?

I agree with you GSS from what you said earlier..these people get down right angry and put off by what Jesus did and taught...sounds like they've been infected by "the smoke" to me...perhaps "chosing" to be ignorant?

17 posted on 04/03/2004 7:29:27 AM PST by kstewskis (The Passion of The Christ is here....and no I am NOT giving up Mel for Lent!)
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Why do so many folks feel that each parish should reconstruct the liturgy to their own whims and sensibilities?
I get tired of priests and bishops who preach blind obedience to their interpretation of the GIRM and at the same time order group foot washes on Holy Thursday in open defiance to church rules and traditions.
The trashing of our liturgy keeps this Catholic away from church during Holy Week.
18 posted on 04/03/2004 7:33:25 AM PST by rogator
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sounds like they've been infected by "the smoke" to me...perhaps "chosing" to be ignorant?

Very little doubt -- which is "easier" for those spiritually unsound:  to learn and have faith, or to learn and then ignore?

Pax et bonum.
19 posted on 04/03/2004 8:08:43 AM PST by GirlShortstop
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To: madprof98
As Roman Catholics worldwide move into a week to focus their hearts on the suffering of Christ, Atlanta Catholics are being divided over the ancient ritual of the washing of feet. On March 19, Archbishop John Donoghue sent a letter to parish priests telling them that only men should be chosen for the solemn rite of foot washing, which takes place on Holy Thursday as parishes observe the Last Supper of Jesus. Women and children have been included in the rite for years, but Donoghue's letter specifically states that 12 men should be selected to represent the priesthood. Priests, parishioners and theologians said they were puzzled and angry over the decision to exclude women and children.

Puzzled and angry? That probably also explains the feelings of those throughout the years that saw this coed-foot washing ceremony knowing that it was a violation of the GIRM. I know that I was when I saw this happen.

"The men who have been chosen are led by the ministers to chairs prepared in a suitable place. Then the priest ... goes to each man. With the help of ministers, he pours water over each one's feet and dries them" (Sacramentary, p. 136).

As has been pointed out constantly the Latin word for man (meaning male), vir, was used in the Latin original. The ritual washing of the feet was restored by Pope Pius XII in 1955 and put into the Sacramentary at that time. Symbolically this ritual was in relationship to the Gospels where Jesus washes the feet of the Apostles to show that we are to serve in humility. This is quite ironic because those who have decided on their own to change the rubrics to be more inclusive are the opposite of serving in humility.

The washing of the feet of chosen men which, according to tradition, is performed on this day [Holy Thursday], represents the service and charity of Christ, who came 'not to be served, but to serve.' This tradition should be maintained, and its proper significance explained. (Congregation for Divine Worship, "Preparing and Celebrating the Paschal Feasts," January 16, 1988.)
The Rev. John Kieran, pastor of St. Pius X Catholic Church in Conyers, said he will cancel foot washing on Thursday. "I just respectfully disagree with him," Kieran said.

That is respectfully disagreeing? I would hate to see outright disobedience. Besides he is not just disagreeing with hie Bishop, which is bad enough, he is also clearly violating the church's liturgical law.

Many priests were reluctant to talk about the archbishop's letter, because they are bound by a vow of obedience to follow his orders. That vow generally prohibits their openly criticizing the archbishop. Many said privately, however, that they were saddened by the decision and were questioning whether to abandon the ritual or ignore Donoghue's order.Some Catholic laypeople Friday were less guarded. "It's like they're just trying to come up with something else that women can't do," said Danny Ingram, a parishioner at the Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in Atlanta. "The whole thing is about service to one another, and it's not just about service to men." Donoghue's letter comes at a time when the Roman Catholic Church is still recovering from a clergy sex abuse scandal and the secretive way it handled the complaints. Many leaders have called for the church to be more open in an effort to promote healing.

Oh that's right out of the playbook for disobedience. Disagree with something the Church says, simply remind people about the clergy sex abuse scandal; that will fix them.

Now things will become really clear since we now have a statement from a spokeswoman for the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.

...A Spokeswoman for the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops said Donoghue is within his rights to limit the ritual to men. The decision is left up to individual bishops, although the overwhelming majority of American bishops allow women's feet to be washed."In many areas, the custom is to wash the feet of both men and women, " said Sister Mary Ann Walsh. "I've been in parishes where they even wash hands."

Okay my last statement was a delayed April's Fools gag. Those speaking for the USCCB usually are less than clear when speaking on liturgical abuses. This is no surprise considering that the USCCB is also befuddled on this issue. The liturgy committee issued the following statement on February 16, 1987:

... it has become customary in many places [in the United States] to invite both men and women to be participants in this rite in recognition of the service that should be given by all the faithful to the church and to the world ... in the United States, a variation in the rite developed in which not only charity is signified but also humble service.

As a Adoremus Bulletin on this subject asks "Did the committee sanction a liturgical abuse?"

The fathers of the Second Vatican Council clearly stated that "...no other person, not even a priest, may add, remove, change anything in the liturgy on his own authority" [Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, no. 23]. Furthermore, according to Church law the Vatican must confirm liturgical legislation approved by the various national conferences of bishops. It is "the prerogative of the Apostolic See to regulate the sacred liturgy of the universal Church, to publish liturgical books and review their vernacular translations, and to be watchful that liturgical regulations are everywhere faithfully observed" [Canon 838.2].
..."I'm sorry he's done that," said Gerald Noonan of Atlanta, a former priest who founded the Center for Ethics at the Georgia Tech business school. "Women have been second-class citizens for so long."

In this article they did not interview one person who agreed with what the Bishop said, but instead found an ex-priest - not exactly the most reliable expert.

Said Kathleen Pruitt of Bremen, who attends several different Catholic churches: "A shepherd who cares only for the rams won't have a flock for very long."

Now some might say "Big deal, so what if some women's feet get washed." This goes with all the posts recently on why some people get so angry over liturgical abuses. These abuses don't happen in a vacuum. They are an outward indicator of the culture of disobedience in the Church.

"He who is faithful in a very little is faithful also in much; and he who is dishonest in a very little is dishonest also in much.

I have found through my limited experience that those churches that play fast and loose with liturgical laws also play fast and loose with the moral laws. If you are willingly disobedient in small matters it doesn't take you much farther to be disobedient in larger matters. If you can decide for yourself how the universal liturgy is conducted in your local parish then what else can you decide since you know better. I don't believe that if all liturgical abuses stopped tomorrow that everything is instantly cured. This culture of disobedience has been a cancerous growth that will not come out easily. Why should the congregation listen to the priest when he talks about obedience to God's laws in his homilies, but is disobedient to the Church in the liturgy?

20 posted on 04/03/2004 8:27:06 AM PST by Atheist2Theist (http://www.splendoroftruth.com/curtjester/)
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