[CatherineSiena]

Wow, is the New Oxford Review finally coming around to traditionalism? It's about time they stopped trying to pretend bishops in Rome are bastions of Orthodoxy while bishops elsewhere are not.

I can already hear The Wanderer sharpening their hatchet for the attack.

[Pyro7480]

It's about time they stopped trying to pretend bishops in Rome are bastions of Orthodoxy while bishops elsewhere are not.

I've been reading NOR for just under a year. As far as I can tell, they've been critical of John Paul's lack of ecclesiastical discipline for some time now.

I can already hear The Wanderer sharpening their hatchet for the attack.

I don't know about them, but there may well be a response from Crisis magazine. There's some bad blood between NOR and Crisis, mainly because of Michael Rose's book Goodbye, Good Men.

[BlackElk]

The schism is NOT traditionalism. "Catholicism" rejecting papal authority is not Catholic. Ubi Petrus Ibi Ecclesia IS tradition and Catholicism. Marcel et al. are not.

I rather doubt that the NOR will go schismatic and, if it does, that will be another reason why God invented the Wanderer. The Wanderer is not the Remnant as both would gladly concede.

When you talk about bishops outside the Vatican, suggesting their orthodoxy, I trust we are not talking about Hubbard or Mahoney or their ilk. Are you talking about the excommunicated Fellay and Williamson and their ilk?