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To: sinkspur; Pyro7480; Hermann the Cherusker; ninenot; Aquinasfan; heyheyhey; ultima ratio; ...
But if everybody will be saved or if Catholics may entertain true doubts whether anybody at all will end up in Hell, then a key motivation for missionary work and Catholic evangelism is subverted.

Missionary work is not undertaken merely for the benefit of what happens to the soul of the convert after death.

Salvation of Souls is the Pivotal Goal of Missionary Work, whether anything else gets accomplished is secondary and irrelevant. Christ has taught us that "man does not live on bread alone." Of course this does not sit well with your Sandanista Maxist view.

Your persistent rejection of Church teaching on Hell as evidenced in the other thread also by stating "The Church has never defined dogmatically that there are people in hell." as well as your rejection on the same thread of another solemn teaching of the Church on Unbaptised Infants by stating repeatedly"That is not a teaching. It is a speculation." makes you a two time Public and Material Heretic this past week.

I'll ask again, how many doctrines do you intend to deny in a week's time?

Liberals like yourself can't stand being in a Church, any Church for that matter, that teaches there Is Hell and there are people in it. You should be honest about this and let everyone know. But since you won't do it, I'll do it for you.

You have some nerve jumping on others that they are not in communion with Rome (even if that's true).

A Public and Material Heretic is NOT in communion with Rome even tho he carries the fraudulent name "catholic".

16 posted on 04/01/2004 9:38:12 PM PST by m4629
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To: m4629; sinkspur
"The Church has never defined dogmatically that there are people in hell."

The sentence may be understood, (or misunderstood) in two ways, that the Church doesn't state dogmatically that hell for people exists, or that the Church does not specify who is in hell or the "minimum required" population of hell (Hitler, Stalin, Osama, etc. everyone has a list ;)), something that would be the opposite to the process of canonization. I certainly hope Sink meant the latter.

It is the truth of faith that hell exists, as it is the truth of faith that God does not intend anyone at all to go to hell.

Jesus says,

What is your opinion? If a man has a hundred sheep and one of them goes astray, will he not leave the ninety-nine in the hills and go in search of the stray? And if he finds it, amen, I say to you, he rejoices more over it than over the ninety-nine that did not stray. In just the same way, it is not the will of your heavenly Father that one of these little ones be lost. (Matthew 18:12-14)
And the first Pope teaches,
The Lord (...) is patient with you, not wishing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. (2 Peter 3:9)
All things are possible to God.
17 posted on 04/01/2004 10:37:16 PM PST by heyheyhey
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To: m4629
Further, as the years have passed since Vatican II, these now-stock excuses for why the Vatican has refused to discipline renegade priests and bishops have crumbled, one by one. Certainly the many decades over which the crisis has spread have been sufficient to gather the information necessary to judge the erroneous opinions of various priests and bishops accurately and justly. And the "greater scandal" argument - most often formulated in terms of the avoidance of open schism - has now been shown falses in the most recent clerical sex scandals. The Holy Father could have removed many deviant bishops and priests with complete impunity. The other bishops would have not dared defy him on such an issue, especially since those most apt to break openly with Rome tend to have scandalous skeletons in their own closets. With even the secular world rightly expecting tough treatment of such deviancy, who would have dared go into schism over the situation? But has any disciplinary action been taken? Rather, in yet another bow to the novelty of collegiality, the entire problem was handed back to the national hierarchy which, through its own laxity, spawned the scandal in the first place.
23 posted on 04/02/2004 5:39:44 AM PST by johnb2004
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