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To: HarleyD
I have posted two articles from the Eastern Church.

When you refer to the "Eastern Church" do you mean Eastern Orthodox or Eastern Catholic? Do you know there is a difference? The Eastern Catholic accept the filioque:

    Since we are in full communion with the Roman Catholic Church, Eastern Catholics believe that the filioque is a legitimate understanding of the Trinity, particular to the Latin tradition.

    A "Uniate" or "Eastern Catholic" is someone who is a member of one of the 18 Eastern Rites that are in union with Rome. These formed when certain members of Orthodox, Oriental and Assyrian Churches came under the jurisdiction of the Pope. They accept Roman Catholic doctrine (i.e. the Filioque, Immaculate Conception etc.) but maintain much of their Mother Churches' Rite and traditions.

I'm still trying to sort it all out.

It was sorted out long ago. Once you sort yourself out, I look forward to seeing the retraction.

49 posted on 04/01/2004 11:05:22 AM PST by Titanites (DN IHS CHS REX REGNANTIUM)
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To: Titanites; HarleyD
*I have posted two articles from the Eastern Church. *

Harley, this may help you to understand the distinction between Eastern Catholic and Eastern Orthodox.

CHURCHES

A Church is an assembly of the faithful, hierarchically ordered, both in the entire world -  the Catholic Church, or in a certain  territory - a particular Church. To be a sacrament (a sign) of the Mystical Body of Christ in the world, a Church must have both a head and members (Col. 1:18).  The sacramental sign of Christ the Head is the sacred hierarchy - the bishops, priests and deacons (Eph. 2:19-22). More specifically, it is the local bishop, with his priests and deacons gathered around and assisting him in his office of teaching, sanctifying and governing (Mt. 28:19-20; Titus 1:4-9). The sacramental sign of the Mystical Body is the Christian faithful. Thus the Church of Christ is fully present sacramentally (by way of a sign) wherever there is a sign of Christ the Head, a bishop and those who assist him, and a sign of Christ's Body, Christian faithful. Each diocese is therefore a particular Church.

The Church of Christ is also present sacramentally in ritual Churches that represent an ecclesiastical tradition of celebrating the sacraments. They are generally organized under a Patriarch, who together with the bishops and other clergy of that ritual Church represent Christ the Head to the people of that tradition. In some cases a Rite is completely coincident with a Church. For example, the Maronite Church with its Patriarch has a Rite not found in any other Church. In other cases, such as the Byzantine Rite, several Churches use the same or a very similar liturgical Rite. For example, the Ukrainian Catholic Church uses the Byzantine Rite, but this Rite is also found in other Catholic Churches, as well as the Eastern Orthodox Churches not in union with Rome.

Finally, the Church of Christ is sacramentally present in the Universal or Catholic Church spread over the entire world. It is identified by the sign of Christ our Rock, the Bishop of Rome, Successor of St. Peter (Mt. 16:18). To be Catholic particular Churches and ritual Churches must be in communion with this Head, just as the other apostles, and the Churches they founded, were in communion with Peter (Gal. 1:18). Through this communion with Peter and his successors the Church becomes a universal sacrament of salvation in all times and places, even to the end of the age (Mt. 28:20).

CATHOLIC RITES AND CHURCHES

51 posted on 04/01/2004 11:23:44 AM PST by NYer (Prayer is the Strength of the Weak)
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