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To: kosta50
But don't some Churches have the image of Jesus on a cross right in front of the Church and people face it, praying towards it? What meaning goes into that?
13 posted on 03/30/2004 7:46:41 PM PST by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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To: yonif
Praying before a crucifix brings to mind HIM whom we worship, and reminds us of his suffering on the cross. In the Catholic Church, it also reminds us that the mass is a sacrifice, a remembering of the one sacrifice and his abiding presence with us.
14 posted on 03/30/2004 7:54:25 PM PST by RobbyS (Latin nothing of atonment)
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To: yonif
According to the Church father John Damascene who lived in 8th century Syria (yes, under an islamic ruler), veneration -- NOT worship! -- of icons is licit because the image is merely a conduit; the veneration passes through to the prototype.

Furthermore, Christians of an apostolic ecclesiology (mostly Catholics and Orthodox) believe that images of Jesus are OK, because the apostle Paul tells us that Jesus himself is the image of God. Christians being not subject to the Law (being a new creation in Christ who we believe frees man from law -- a response to man's estrangement from God -- by his passion and resurrection), we hold it not unlawful to do what God has done in making an image of Him.
19 posted on 03/30/2004 10:51:31 PM PST by Romulus ("Behold, I make all things new")
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To: yonif
people face it, praying towards it?

Original Christianity, as practiced by the Church Fathers, always placed such symbols of faith facing East. The operand word is toward and not to. We pray facing toward the East, looking toward the symbol of faith, pray to God.

Having said that, I have seen icons and paintings depicting an old man with a beard, Jesus sitting to his right, and the Holy Ghost (in the form of a dove) above them. I have seen it in the Greek Orthodox church in St. Augustine, Florida, and again on some religious brochures. That is aboslute blasphemy! Just who is that old man with a long white beard? The Father? The Orthodox theology is based on apophatic reasoning -- which states, among other things that God is ineffable, uncircumscribed, eternal, ever-present, and so on. For anyone to draw God the Father in a human form, with a logn white beard (also seen in some Catholic paintings) is one certified blasphemy par excellence! And the priest of that Greek church in St. Augustine should know better, as should his congregation.

That icon is pure heresy because it depicts three separate entities, as physical beings in heaven. Nothing could be more theologically heretical than that! It is utterly pagan and blasphemous.

But those religions that don't use icons or statues do not guarantee that individual believers are not forming their own "mental icons" that could be equally corrupt except that no one will know but the beholder. The only difference is that in the original Christian Churches (in other words pre-Luther), individual corruption is evident from their paintings or sculptures and could therefore be corrected. In those religions where depiction remains in the eye of the beholder, the heretical images remain unaltered.

32 posted on 03/31/2004 1:31:47 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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