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It May Not Be Realized Yet
San Francisco Faith ^ | STEPHEN FRANKINI

Posted on 03/26/2004 6:47:24 PM PST by Land of the Irish

Helen (a pseudonym) describes herself as devoutly Catholic. She attends St. Anne's Parish Community in Discovery Bay in the diocese of Oakland. Most parishioners there, she says, are excited about the changes in the parish made by their pastor, Father Ron Schmit -- who is also chairman of the art and design committee (formerly referred to as the liturgy committee) for the new Oakland cathedral.

Helen, though, told me a few of the things that bothered her about the parish. For one thing, she said, Father Schmit is very proud that he will be acquiring for the parish a crucifix with a fully naked Jesus. (Another parishioner I talked to joked that perhaps this was Father's way of teaching the pope's Theology of the Body). Another thing that angered Helen happened at Christmas Eve Mass, when two girls, between the ages of ten and twelve, pretending to be Joseph and Mary, danced at Mass to a song with the words, "would you pick some grapes from the tree." Their dresses, Helen said, had slits that went up to the waist.

According to Helen, St Anne's sometimes uses leavened bread for its hosts. "It rose and was sweeter than it should be," she said. "My mother called the rectory, and they insist it's unleavened. They got the recipe off the internet."

Helen is not alone in her confusion about what is happening at her church.

Joyce Davis lived in Discovery Bay for six years, up until 2002, and was a parishioner of St. Anne's. She told me that the pastoral associate, Gail McGuire, reads the Gospel once a month at the Children's Mass and delivers the homily. Davis said she received a letter from Father Schmit in which he said that the reason McGuire does this is that she is "good with children" -- even though the children troop out of the church for the Liturgy of the Word. Once McGuire, said Davis, conducted a Eucharistic service (no Mass) and instructed everyone to bring his chair closer to the altar, thus forming a circle. "Everyone took their own Jesus from the ciborium. I couldn't do it," said Davis. "The Eucharist is something given, not taken."

Joyce also informed me that Father Schmit "pulled the kneelers, and pews out of the church, and had a garage sale." She also said Father Ron wrote in the Contra Costa Times in support of gay marriages. In the March 12, 2000 edition of the Contra Costa Times, Father Ron is quoted as being "saddened" that the bishops supported Proposition 22 banning gay marriages in California. He argued that divorce is also condemned in the Bible, but no one is clamoring to make divorce illegal.

According to Joyce, Father Schmit once said, "the Bible is just a bunch of stories." She said he often uses the term "Spirit of Vatican II" to justify his actions. Furthermore, as if Catholic moral teaching were simply suggestions, she claimed Schmit said, "in a perfect world, we could all follow the catechism".

In early February, Schmit delivered a controversial sermon regarding the nature of the parish as well as the priesthood. At the request of parishioners, within the bulletin he distributed a flier that lists the source material he used for his sermon, which Helen faxed to me. Among his sources was a book written by William J. Bausch, called The Parish of the Next Millenium. According to Helen, Schmit recommends this book to those interested in getting involved with ministry.

Schmit's handout includes the following quotations from Bausch's book: "The parish of the Christian millenium will be lay oriented, with shared and collaborative ministry." "It will be grounded not so much in ordination and office as in baptism and charism, wherein the baptismal call to discipleship binds believers in a common mission, and leadership, conferred with broader input, is respectful of others' gifts and ministries." "It will complete the process of moving from a pyramid to a koinonia (communion) church, with a better balance between male and female spiritualities and influence, greater female representation in decision making; there will be married priests and communion with one another across the earth, those gone before and those to come after." "It will stress the wisdom tradition rather than the intellectual, retrieve the mystical and return to a more holistic spirituality." "It will see a new priesthood within and among the people, a common communion in ministry." "It will move closer to a male-female partnership, a real balance of male-female cooperation and ministry."

After these quotations, the handout has these comments from Father Schmit: "Although these predictions by Fr. Bausch may not be realized as of yet, or as quickly as one might hope, nevertheless they should inspire and move all who minister for Jesus in the daily grind that is our human existence."

According to Helen, Father Schmit's teachings are very well received because, as she put it, many in the parish want to "get away from the authoritarian church" and have "lay people making decisions."

Another handout contained a "psalm," titled, "Do This in Memory of Me," from a book, Psalms for Zero Gravity by Edward Hays (Forest of Peace Publishing). The psalm begins: "Beloved Jesus, Lord of the Meal, I rejoice that a mother and a father, laboring for their family, begin and end each day's work saying, 'This is my body, this is my blood.' An adult child nursing a sick elderly parent with compassion and patient care says 'This is my body, this is my blood.'" The "psalm" then lists a preacher, a singer "forgetting self and the audience, making love out of the music," an artist, teacher, dancer, doctor, auto mechanic, office worker -- and all in their work say, "This is my body, this is my blood." In the last verse of the psalm, we learn that "ten thousand thousand consecrations occur daily, as all heaven's angels chime in, 'Holy, holy, holy,' to the thunderous praise of a thousand silent, silver bells. Listen. Listen."

Father Schmit's handout explains the "psalm" in the following "reflection": "Some theologians as late as the twelfth century held that there was no necessary connection between the consecration of bread and wine into Christ's Body and Blood and sacramental ordination. Gary Macy, chairman of the theology department of the University of San Diego and a scholar of the medieval period, discovered that the first document making a distinction between laity and ritually ordained clergy didn't appear until the Fourth Lateran Council of 1215."

Schmit's explanation continues: "To frequently make a gift of yourself in loving compassionate service is being faithful to Jesus, keeping the memory of his gift alive and doing what he did. While his gift-words are officially restricted to the ordained clergy today, Jesus' last request on the night before he died was restricted to neither time nor place, person nor circumstance. We all are called at every moment to live out that request."

I called St Anne's several times to ask Father Schmit to comment for this article. No one returned my calls.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
We're on the same page. Yes, but isn't it amazing the absolute filth, blasphemy and perversion against Our Lord and Our Lady and the TRUE Church that can be posted in this forum, and when one rightly and with justifiable anger replies, one gets one head lopped off for being "politically incorrect"!
41 posted on 03/26/2004 9:33:06 PM PST by Viva Christo Rey
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To: Romulus; Religion Moderator; Land of the Irish
Then be advised that I will ask, again, that it (the naked image of Christ) be removed.

AS WILL I!!!

42 posted on 03/26/2004 9:35:57 PM PST by Viva Christo Rey
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To: Land of the Irish
That's a truly disgusting suggestion.

To do so would be unscriptural and -- for that, as well as for other reasons -- theologically disordered. Mary and Joseph's marriage of unreserved mutual gift of self did not require a sexual dimension to be fully authentic.

The images you propose would convey nothing but the trivial and negligible point that from time to time human nature requires all of us to be naked. The fact that Mary and Joseph in their humanity were not exempt from these exigencies is not theologically meaningful. Being fully human, Our Lord also made himself subject to these demands, but there too his nakedness is not "interesting" unles it conveys a theological truth, as in the iconography of his infancy, baptism, or yes, crucifixion.
43 posted on 03/26/2004 9:36:11 PM PST by Romulus ("Behold, I make all things new")
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To: Romulus
Taunting a moderator is a quick path to the Outer Darkness.
44 posted on 03/26/2004 9:39:09 PM PST by drstevej
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To: Aliska
Thanks, but I prefer to get my Christian art from people seeking to be conformed to Christ, rather than the other way round.
45 posted on 03/26/2004 9:39:50 PM PST by Romulus ("Behold, I make all things new")
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To: Viva Christo Rey
No, it was a traditionalist catholic from England and not Michael Davies. One of the channel Islands.
46 posted on 03/26/2004 9:40:03 PM PST by Aliska
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To: drstevej
"Be not afraid"
47 posted on 03/26/2004 9:40:22 PM PST by Romulus ("Behold, I make all things new")
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To: Viva Christo Rey; Religion Moderator; Land of the Irish
AS WILL I!!!

Yet none of you can explain why, nor even has the integrity to be ashamed at that fact.

48 posted on 03/26/2004 9:42:30 PM PST by Romulus ("Behold, I make all things new")
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To: Viva Christo Rey
It was Piers Compton, "The Broken Cross: Hidden Hand In the Vatican", Channel Islands, Neville Spearman, 1981, p. 72.
49 posted on 03/26/2004 9:43:00 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Romulus; Religion Moderator
Having been to FR Purgatory five times, I can offer you a few days at my time share. You may need accommodations if you continue to taunt the RM.
50 posted on 03/26/2004 9:44:04 PM PST by drstevej
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To: Aliska
It was Piers Compton, "The Broken Cross: Hidden Hand In the Vatican", Channel Islands, Neville Spearman, 1981, p. 72.

Thanks! NOW the name rings a bell!

;-)

51 posted on 03/26/2004 9:46:00 PM PST by Viva Christo Rey
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To: Romulus
What difference does it make? You both are using the same traditional art of Jesus naked. I know all about art and nakedness, but my rosary pictures show Jesus on the cross with a cloth.
52 posted on 03/26/2004 9:46:03 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Viva Christo Rey; Religion Moderator
You think Michelangelo's art is filth and blasphemy?

According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, "A contemporary bestows praise which seems merited, when he says that Michelangelo in all the ninety years of his life never gave any grounds for suspecting the integrity of his moral virtue."

Michelangelo also sculpted David nude, in accordance with scripture. Perhaps it has never occured to you that this confrontation and defeat of the enemy of God's people is a prophecy of the Crucifixion. Well, think about it.
54 posted on 03/26/2004 9:52:57 PM PST by Romulus ("Behold, I make all things new")
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To: Aliska
It is all but impossible to find a used copy of that book. I was amazed that I was able to get it. Should have made notes from it. It just might disappear altogether.
55 posted on 03/26/2004 9:55:31 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Romulus
Having been declined the courtesy of a response, be advised that I intend to re-post the image you deleted, unless you restore it first.

The Religion Moderator is not here 24/7. I removed your post. Do not repost it.

56 posted on 03/26/2004 9:57:11 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator
I removed you post.

Why? Do you deem nudity in art intrinsically obscene? Are you exercising a theological judgment? Or did you just react without thinking and now find yourself having to defend an ill-considered decision?

Please inform me when the Religion Moderator will be on duty, as I intend to make my case to someone with the competence to understand what this debate is about.

57 posted on 03/26/2004 9:59:19 PM PST by Romulus ("Behold, I make all things new")
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To: Romulus
Not a good move.
58 posted on 03/26/2004 10:01:00 PM PST by drstevej
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To: Romulus
Well, think about it.

I am thinking about it. There are lots of passages in the old testament about uncovering someone's nakedness and how it was frowned upon.

When Peter realized Jesus was on the shore, he hastily put his robe on and jumped into the sea. I don't know one way or the other how God views nakedness and naked art. We are conditioned to accept it, but I can certainly live without it.

When you take an art class, they get people to pose naked and I simply would not do that. Maybe I'm a prude, but I never cared for open nakedness, art or otherwise. It is a very private thing imo.

59 posted on 03/26/2004 10:02:45 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Admin Moderator; Jim Robinson
Is it now forbidden to post images from the Sistine Chapel in the Religion Forum of this Free Republic?

I ask only for information.
60 posted on 03/26/2004 10:03:09 PM PST by Romulus ("Behold, I make all things new")
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