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To: hopespringseternal
Did you pour water over your own head? If not, exactly what did you do?

I said it already. "I had water poured over my head" (passive voice). Again, I'm not the one saying baptism is salvific. Moreover, your continual usage of me as the case subject ("What did you do?") is flawed, since I was baptized as an infant, and the Biblical account is of the first Christian baptisms, which were to adults. More generally, what do adult baptismal candidates do? They submit to being baptized and affirm their belief in Jesus Christ. Again, that's not the doctrine in contention. Show support for the belief that requiring baptism for salvation (that is, requiring a ritual for salvation--something other than faith alone) is Biblical, and that taking "for the remission of sins" in Acts 2:38-9 is a ritual done in order to rather than because of the remission of sins.

18 posted on 03/26/2004 1:37:20 PM PST by The Grammarian (Saving the world one typo at a time.)
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To: The Grammarian; xzins; hopespringseternal
I've always had the mind set that since an infant can't make a free will choice the principles involved in infant baptism must. And as we can not choose repentance for another soul the only purpose would be for that set of parents through this sacrement upon their child, are making a public covenant with God that they will raise that child in a Godly house and teach it to live under Godly teachings. This in due time will give to the child an awareness of the need to make that choice themselves and thus "repent and be baptized. . ."
May God continue to Bless you all.
19 posted on 03/26/2004 6:31:59 PM PST by Dust in the Wind (I've got peace like a river . . .)
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To: The Grammarian
Show support for the belief that requiring baptism for salvation (that is, requiring a ritual for salvation--something other than faith alone) is Biblical, and that taking "for the remission of sins" in Acts 2:38-9 is a ritual done in order to rather than because of the remission of sins.

I didn't mangle Acts 2:38 to take baptism out of it. You stated that it was necessary to reinterpret the Greek, in order to make sure salvation was not a work (in disagreement with the preponderance of scholars who have translated that word the same way in a variety of translations.)

I merely challenged you to produce a "work" that the baptized person does at baptism which you believe would constitute "earning their salvation." So far you keep stressing the passive nature of baptism, meaning the person being baptized does nothing.

So lets get this straight 1) when you are baptized, you don't do anything yourself. 2) It is necessary to reinterpret nearly every major translation in order to make sure we don't associate remission of sins with the (nonexistent, see 1 ) work of baptism.

Huh? How can not doing anything be a work that earns your salvation?

22 posted on 03/27/2004 2:19:44 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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