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A Hothouse Chapel in Hurricane Alley ("Ugly As Sin" At Ave Maria U.)
CruxNews.com ^ | 3/26/2004 | Michael Rose

Posted on 03/26/2004 6:36:22 AM PST by Pyro7480

A hothouse chapel in Hurricane Alley
Ave Maria University needs to return to the drawing board but quick!

This week Ave Maria University announced detailed plans for a proposed chapel on its newly-founded campus near Naples, Florida. Requiring three thousand tons of structural steel and aluminum, the 60,000-square-foot glass-skinned church is set to be the nation’s largest. Unfortunately, the design unveiled by school officials is an impractical eyesore.

Although its floor plan is vaguely reminiscent of a basilica-style church, the unsightly structure otherwise breaks with the history and tradition of Catholic church architecture while tipping its hat to some of the more avant-garde Protestant productions of recent decades. Moreover, it consciously avoids any connection to the rich Spanish mission style so common to Florida for several centuries.

Not only is it ugly, it is certain to be an embarassment to an otherwise promising Catholic institution of higher learning. Quite obviously the chapel is inconsistent with Ave Maria’s reputation for embracing authentic Catholic culture and tradition.

The proposed church is perhaps most reminiscent of Sir Joseph Paxton’s Crystal Palace, the enormous hall designed to house London’s Great Exhibition of 1851. Constructed entirely of cast iron and glass, the Palace was the largest structure to be built of prefabricated units up to that time. It is generally recognized by architectural historians as the forerunner of industrial construction that has produced many of the unseemly behemoths of the twentieth century. Paxton was a horticulturist, landscape gardener and greenhouse architect. Not coincidentally, his masterpiece resembled a giant hothouse.

Alack, the same can be said of Ave Maria’s proposed church. The 60-foot red-tinted glass cross embedded within the transparent front façade does little to reassure one that this filigree structure isn’t a conservatory full of insectivorous plants and steaming compost piles. In fact, the proposed structure should nicely suit the purpose of cultivating exotic plants out of season. After all, hothouses are designed to be, well, hot. Considering the blistering heat and humidity that characterizes the climate in southern Florida much of the year, a glass building is about as impractical as it gets—not for plants but for people. (Has no one considered the incredible impact of solar heat gain?) Add to that the fact that Ave Maria’s new campus is sprouting in Hurricane Alley, and you’ve got to wonder if this isn’t an early April Fool’s joke.

One call to the university assured me that this is no joke. It’s the real thing—and they’re moving ahead with the project come heat or hurricanes. The chapel is expected to be completed in 2006 along with much of the rest of the new campus.

Ave Maria seems to be making a fuss over the shear enormity of the proposed church. According to a March 24 press release, university officials boasted that the new chapel "will have [the] largest seating capacity of any Catholic church in the country" as well as "the largest crucifix in the world."

The largest crucifix in the world? Come now. If that doesn’t smack of megalomania, I don’t know what does. And why on earth would a small Catholic school with 122 students knocking around 1,000 acres in the remote swamplands of Florida need—or want—to accommodate a whopping 3,300 people? Why would petite Ave Maria aim for more seating than New York’s St. Patrick’s Cathedral or Cardinal Mahony’s celebrated Yellow Armadillo in L.A., both of which serve as the spiritual centerpiece of archdioceses that serve millions of Catholics?

Well, it just so happens that seed money for the mega-project was provided by Thomas S. Monaghan, former owner of the Detroit Tigers and founder of Dominos Pizza. Mr. Monaghan, a generous philanthropist, tends to think big. But one must understand that bigger is not necessarily better nor even desirable.

Wouldn’t it make much more sense for a fledgling school like Ave Maria to build a well-designed, modest-sized chapel for its community? (See Thomas Aquinas College for an excellent example.) After all, who in his right mind would donate even a dollar to a newly established university that appears to be blowing money like a drunken sailor? Three thousand tons of structural steel don’t come cheap.

Given the fact that Ave Maria touts its mission and its curriculum as being steeped in Catholic culture and tradition, its architecture (especially that of a sacred building) deserves to match that right-headed philosophy. Wouldn’t it make sense to patronize one of the architects who has been responsible for the recent renewal of sacred architecture in this country? Despite their major accomplishments in the design of beautiful Catholic churches, architects such as Duncan Stroik, Thomas Gordon Smith, Dino Marcantonio, and Henry Menzies weren’t even as much as invited to compete for this project. Two of these men also have campus chapels on their list of credits. Stroik is responsible for the Thomas Aquinas College’s beautiful new chapel and Thomas Gordon Smith designed the seminary for the Fraternity of St. Peter in Denton, Nebraska. Due in no small part to these talented Catholic architects, many are waking up to the fact that the churches designed and built in the latter half of the twentieth century have miserably failed the Catholic people. Why then settle for an ugly Goliath of a structure that will look dated even before it’s 3,000 tons of structural steel are sheathed in hothouse glass?

A suggestion to Ave Maria: This proposed chapel design is an error so egregious that it requires immediate attention. Dump these hideous plans. Hire a new architect, and start afresh, this time with an eye toward creating a beautiful house of God rather than simply an enormous one. (See my book Ugly As Sin for a few pointers.) Otherwise your school risks losing its hard-earned credibility. Your university is a promising one. Don’t mar your reputation with such an impractical eyesore.

Michael S. Rose is the author a several books including on church architecture including Ugly As Sin. His forthcoming book In Tiers of Glory: A History of Catholic Church Architecture in 100 Pages is due out in November. He is editor of Cruxnews.com.


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To: Maximilian
It sounds to me like you're being taken for a ride. Like the rest of the neo-Catholic enterprise, it's built on direct-mail fundraising rather than on faith and grace.

My take on that is that if I can have a "neo" Catholic where there was previously no Catholic, I'll take it. What I don't want are neo-Catholics where there were devout ones previously.

Further if I can have a Christian (Catholic or not) where there once was a non-believer, I'll take it.

That's just my take on evangelism in general, not necessarily on what I think will happen with Ave Maria University. I'm hoping it will do more good than harm.

61 posted on 03/26/2004 3:49:30 PM PST by AAABEST (<a href="http://www.angelqueen.org">Traditional Catholicism is Back and Growing</a>)
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To: sinkspur
Head to confession, deacon.
62 posted on 03/26/2004 3:56:43 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: AnAmericanMother
Could the choir be heard at all in the open air? How many people were there?

I heard them just fine. It was quite the contrast next to the night before having the acoustics of the Phil and the organ with 30 foot pipes.

Everyone reciting the rosary on a procession through the tomatoes to the site of the future altar was a sight to see also.

There were a few hundred people there at least.

63 posted on 03/26/2004 3:57:09 PM PST by AAABEST (<a href="http://www.angelqueen.org">Traditional Catholicism is Back and Growing</a>)
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To: patent; sinkspur; NYer; Desdemona; B Knotts
This university is supposedly a conservative orthodox university. It will flop if they chose to ignore the smaller donors, most of whom will be repulsed by taking all their money and building a greenhouse. Donations will dry up, some people will lose interest in the new university, etc.

Over the past couple of years my wife and I have given Ave Maria donations totaling a few thousand dollars - we're not big donors, but we're reliable small donors.

As small donors, we don't feel entitled to make decisions about architecture. Now, I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but I actually like the way that church looks. But I really believe that even if we didn't like it that it wouldn't matter to us.

Architecture doesn't matter. Boston College and Georgetown have, regrettably, received much more money from us (in tuition). Their architecture is beautiful - but we wouldn't give them a dime in donations.

64 posted on 03/26/2004 4:23:10 PM PST by old and tired (Go Toomey! Send Specter back to the Highlands!)
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To: Pyro7480; patent; Canticle_of_Deborah
The pictures we were shown were much better than this model came across. We will have to wait and see the finished product. I am the kind of person who wants to build Romanesque-Byzantine Cathedrals, so this is not my cup of tea. But I do think the end result will be far better than Michael Rose imagines.

Now that Fr. Fessio is celebrating Mass facing God (facing East) I am wondering how the Altar will look in the end. Everything will focus upon the Altar and Holy Mass, with walls and ceilings having more to do with sky and weather. It would be too easy to denounce it because it looks unlike what one would expect. I must restrain myself and remind myself that there is an enormous difference between this and the grim air hangar for the spirits of the lost that passes for a cathedral in Los Angeles.

65 posted on 03/26/2004 5:46:09 PM PST by Siobhan (+Pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet+)
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To: Unam Sanctam; Pyro7480; BlackElk
I'm trying to figure out how Domus Dei and Gate of Heaven can be reconciled with this aviary-design from the Milwaukee County Zoo.

Methinks Monaghan has had way too many anchovies on his pizza lately.

He's an odd duck. He seriously thought that he could (literally) franchise his grade-school model to other Catholic communities around the country.

Dunno how he intended to handle the 'franchising' of the nuns who taught there.

Seems to me it might fall under provisions of the White Slavery Act.

66 posted on 03/26/2004 6:56:14 PM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Between the Lines
FLW's style also is not too useful wherever it rains.

SCJohnson has spent a small fortune trying to fix the Golden Rondelle he designed on their campus in Racine, so that the water would stay OUT.

And not a few of his works have been torn down by homeowners who just couldn't take it any more.
67 posted on 03/26/2004 6:59:32 PM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: AAABEST; Desdemona; AnAmericanMother
From what I've heard (over the air) and heard (from friends who are knowledgeable and who have lived there) the Vatican choir is so bad that they could well have been one of the reasons for the Protestant revolt.

And they REALLY don't like anyone, regardless of pedigree, pointing out how to sing well, unless they are Italian and have come from the VatChoir's ranks.

Sort of an inbreeding thing, and it shows.
68 posted on 03/26/2004 7:08:07 PM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot
And they REALLY don't like anyone, regardless of pedigree, pointing out how to sing well, unless they are Italian and have come from the VatChoir's ranks.

That explains a lot.
69 posted on 03/26/2004 7:12:12 PM PST by Desdemona (Music Librarian and provider of cucumber sandwiches, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary. Hats required.)
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To: ELS; AAABEST
"Where's the Organ"

EXACTLY the same question I had. World's Largest Church and World's Largest Crucifix--but lacking the only instrument recommended by every Vatican document since history began--the pipe organ.

Given the size of the building, I'd guess that an adequate instrument will set somebody back around $2.5-$3 million.

Maybe Bowie Kuhn, a buddy of Monaghan's?
70 posted on 03/26/2004 7:12:36 PM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Maximilian; BlackElk
Father Fessio is NOT a traditional Catholic

Does this mean that he doesn't meet YOUR standards of Catholicism??

He seems to meet those of JPII--not being a schismatic, you know.

71 posted on 03/26/2004 7:15:47 PM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot
Given the size of the building, I'd guess that an adequate instrument will set somebody back around $2.5-$3 million.

Well, yeah. And just imagine the fatigue on the steel and glass from the vibrations. They'll be replacing pieces and parts constantly.

The more I think about it, the whole idea is just a mistake. I used to work in building with an atrium and the carpet under it had to be replaced due to the roof leaking - which it did every time it rained.
72 posted on 03/26/2004 7:16:00 PM PST by Desdemona (Music Librarian and provider of cucumber sandwiches, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary. Hats required.)
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To: Desdemona
Think about this: with a terrazzo floor and all-glass, that sucker will have a decay of around 12 seconds. With carpeted floor, it'll be down to 9 seconds. With padded pews, maybe 7 seconds.

No Bach. No Handel. Yeeeeessshhhhh!
73 posted on 03/26/2004 7:22:39 PM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot
Think about this: with a terrazzo floor and all-glass, that sucker will have a decay of around 12 seconds. With carpeted floor, it'll be down to 9 seconds. With padded pews, maybe 7 seconds.

I had thought about that. Kill the choir with mega largo tempi or all sound is going to be mush.

Who thinks up this stuff? I guess this all gets forgotten in the rush to be relevant.
74 posted on 03/26/2004 7:26:01 PM PST by Desdemona (Music Librarian and provider of cucumber sandwiches, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary. Hats required.)
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To: AAABEST
The mass was facing the altar, yet I've heard that the tridentine won't be allowed.

Is the new chapel laid out ad orientem?

75 posted on 03/26/2004 8:04:28 PM PST by Romulus ("Behold, I make all things new")
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To: ninenot; Desdemona
From what I've heard (over the air) and heard (from friends who are knowledgeable and who have lived there) the Vatican choir is so bad that they could well have been one of the reasons for the Protestant revolt.

The Capella Sistina has been gutted by the Pope's liturgist, Bishop Piero Marini, regarded in the Curia as one of the most arrogant and unpopular men in Rome. In the name of eliminating "incrustations" and of promoting inculturation he has largely banished traditional Catholic chant from Papal liturgies, in favor of showy media spectacles.

St. Mary Major’s is the only of the great Roman basilicas left that celebrates the liturgy according to the classical tradition of Gregorian chant and polyphony.

76 posted on 03/26/2004 8:27:35 PM PST by Romulus ("Behold, I make all things new")
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To: Pyro7480
I think I would like to see more details before I'd condemn the proposed chapel for Ave Maria. I'm kind of intrigued by the glass structure. If the inside can be seen from the outside, if students, as they pass by on their way to class can see the tabernacle, the altar, other students in prayer, that might be a good thing. The presence of God could be much more vivid and real for the people in the proximity of the chapel.

Conversely, those within could be distracted by that which is without.

I think the lines of the structure are appealing, widening as they soar toward the heavens, narrowing at the base. I think there are apt metaphors there. Also, the front facade resembles a bishop's mitre as it swoops down to encompass the churcified Christ. A very Catholic allusion and a reminder of Christ's prominence.....well that's my impression.

I am a chump change donor to the college and while I personally prefer the architecture of centuries past I am not automatically opposed to innovation as long as it reflects the traditional theology of Catholicism. I would want to see the sanctuary before I would condemn it.

77 posted on 03/26/2004 9:05:32 PM PST by St.Chuck
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To: Romulus
I'm not sure. The procession walked to the spot where the altar would be and all that was there was a surveyer's stake.

The altar we used for the outdoor mass was temporary.

78 posted on 03/27/2004 5:21:33 AM PST by AAABEST (<a href="http://www.angelqueen.org">Traditional Catholicism is Back and Growing</a>)
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To: ninenot
Given the size of the building, I'd guess that an adequate instrument will set somebody back around $2.5-$3 million.

I got to thinking about this - with the radiant heat from the sun and no decent insulation, the thing would be out of tune all the time.
79 posted on 03/27/2004 5:54:40 AM PST by Desdemona (Music Librarian and provider of cucumber sandwiches, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary. Hats required.)
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To: Pyro7480
I've always admired Monaghan, but this is just nuts. A GREENHOUSE in FLORIDA? And ugly to boot - it looks about as reverent as a tiki bar, and a lot less comfortable.
80 posted on 03/27/2004 6:16:06 AM PST by nina0113
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