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To: dangus
***Did not the converts in Acts constantly ask the disciples to pray for them?***


Yes, yes while they were alive.

Can you give me one example in the NT of a person asking a dead saint to pray for them?

31 posted on 03/24/2004 5:31:05 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus
If a person is with God, then he.she is not dead. Unless you adhere to the notion that we remain dead until the General Resurrection. But that is simply a matter of opinion.
34 posted on 03/24/2004 7:33:00 PM PST by RobbyS (Latin nothing of atonment)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
>>Can you give me one example in the NT of a person asking a dead saint to pray for them?<<

In the NT? Well, the greatest of saints, including the Blesse Virgin Mary, were still alive *writing* the NT when the NT was being written!

Hence, the inherent contradiction of sola scriptura: Must everything which had not come to pass when the bible was written be denied? Christ set his Church, and promised that the gates of Hell would not overcome it, and the church has always approved of prayers for the dead: there are certainly first-century tombstones which indicate that people prayed for the dead. Can you show me any protest of this practice before the Reformation? It's hard to argue that this was a corruption: This practice went on in the communities wherein apostles dwelt, and it was not practiced among the Jews prior to Christianity.

I have pointed out, however, that the NT depicts saints in heaven, watching over the earth, and responding to the events belowe by praying to God. (Yes, I will concede they are prayers of acclimation, not supplication.

Luther openly acknowledged discarding that he threw out parts of the bible because they were inconsistent with his beliefs, then he invented sola scriptura, a doctrine which contradicts itself. But, for arguments' sake, suppose we adhere to sola scriptura. Can I not beseech anyone I want to pray for me to God, the Father, YHWH? Can you point to me anywhere in the bible where it says I cannot?

Please don't bother mentionning Saul: He was asking questions of the dead, trying to summon them back to Earth to do his bidding, to avoid doing what God had commanded him. When we ask saints to pray for us, we hardly summon them from the grave! And please don't bother mention passages from before the OT which attest to the fact that all the dead go to Sheol, for we now have a savior who rescues us from Sheol.
43 posted on 03/24/2004 11:37:50 PM PST by dangus
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