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To: dangus
Nice try. :O)

From my understanding angels do not possess free will. They are ministering spirits (Heb 1:14) subject to God's command.
20 posted on 03/24/2004 5:02:44 PM PST by HarleyD (READ Your Bible-STUDY to show yourself approved)
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To: HarleyD
Gee, I dunno. I'll confess I was tweaking you; I wasn't even familiar with the passage. I thought you were describing unfallen Adam in Eden, even though it struck me as a problemmatic description...

Do angels possess free will? That's a toughie. It's said in certain Catholic circumstances that "Satan rebelled." Doesn't that suggest free will? But I don't know the scriptural basis for that, and there are several other beliefs that do state that angels are at the command of Christ. And I think I recall that that was what set Man apart was that he *had* free will, so he could love God whereas the angels could only obey.

Gosh, angels are so wierd... There's no mnetion of God creating them, yet they must be created, because they are not creator. Or must only material things be created? OK, you got me... my knowledge about angels is almost zip, except some wierd medieval phylogeny of angels (angels, archangels, dominions, powers, thrones, cherubim and serpahim) and the biblican encounters with them.
22 posted on 03/24/2004 11:48:30 PM PST by dangus
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To: HarleyD
From my understanding angels do not possess free will. They are ministering spirits (Heb 1:14) subject to God's command.

I do not know why you would say that "angels do not possess free will." Of course, the angels who still work for God are "ministering spirits subject to God's command." On the other hand, those angels who chose to follow satan follow his commands.


Revelation 12:
7And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against
the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8But he was
not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9The great
dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or
Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth,
and his angels with him.


Satan chose to be PROUD, and in that pride, pretended that he was equal to God:


Ezekiel 28:
1 .... " 'In the pride of your heart you say, "I am a god; I sit on the throne of a god....


15 You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.
17 Your heart became proud
on account of your beauty,
and you corrupted your wisdom
because of your splendor.

Isaiah 14:
12
"How you have fallen from heaven,
O star of the morning, son of the dawn!
You have been cut down to the earth,
You who have weakened the nations!
13
"But you said in your heart,
'I will ascend to heaven;
I will raise my throne above the stars of God
,
And I will sit on the mount of assembly
In the recesses of the north.
14
'I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.'


Since satan, being an angel, chose to rebel against God; it is reasonable to assume that the angels of satan also chose to rebel, along with satan.

DG

23 posted on 03/25/2004 12:02:22 AM PST by DoorGunner ("A KERRY Ain't Nothin' But a Sandwich")
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