[american colleen]

I agree and identify with 100% of what you just wrote.

[Pyro7480]

Thanks for responding. I think one thing ALL parties in this debate need is patience. One point the so-called "rad-trads" like to bring up is the fact that St. Athanasius was "disobedient" towards his superiors, in defense of orthodoxy. He spent the bulk of his life in exile until he was ultimately vindicated. We should all hope that the SSPX, SSPV, et al, "return to the fold." These things take time. It's only been forty years since Vatican II. It's only been less than one hundred and fifty years since Vatican I and there are still "Old Catholics" who are separated from the Holy See. We all need to pray for discipline within the Church and fight for orthodoxy like our spiritual Father St. Athanasius did.