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To: Quester
Kosta50: The Apostles taught based on Sacred Tradition.
Quester: The Apostles taught what Jesus taught them. Ahy should they do otherwise.

That which Jesus taught, some of which was written down, is the Sacred or Holy Tradition. For the first 400 years of Chirstianity there was no book called a Bible; yet somehow, miraculaously the Church managed to establish orthodoxy and full catholicity in theological concepts and worship without the Bible. The concept of sola scriptura even if one of the Church Fathers suggested it, was simply not possible for practical reasons, just as it is not possible today.

I did not respond to your #186 because there is nothing in it to explain how the Ecumenical Councils established complex Christian theology WITHOUT the Bibe. Your biblical quotes are a mere reflextion of those concepts and not their root. I highly recommend reading the first two Ecumenical Council texts.

233 posted on 03/18/2004 11:30:54 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
For the first 400 years of Chirstianity there was no book called a Bible; yet somehow, miraculaously the Church managed to establish orthodoxy and full catholicity in theological concepts and worship without the Bible.

Perhaps you should ponder on whether what was established was in accordance with what Jesus taught.

Somehow, I don't see the man who all christians acknowledge said the following ...
Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
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Matthew 8:20 And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.
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Matthew 20:25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.

26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;

27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:

28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
... would be pleased with the emphasis on power, pomp, and worldly wealth and grandeur that characterizes the Catholic Church, and, to a lesser extent, the Orthodox Church.

Jesus seemed to much more concerned that we love ... God and one another.

Such was His commandment ...
John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
I highly recommend reading the first two Ecumenical Council texts.

I think that I can stay more on-line with what Jesus taught by reading His words, rather than the words of men.

In my experience, and the church's as well (IMHO), the non-canonized writings of men tend to obscure, rather than make clearer, the very word of God.

237 posted on 03/19/2004 4:31:22 AM PST by Quester
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